President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Luciom derangement syndrome is strong in this thread
I am not sure rick, because mental faculty empairment, although more probable in old age, can happen at any time.
I mean you have the splendid 25th amendment which got the idea right. The problem is having an administration nominated by the president you want to kick away being charged with claiming he is not able anymore to do his job.
Perhaps SCOTUS should have that role.
Oh, it's definitely true. One of the most important cases for the future of this country is JGG vs. Donald Trump, 1:25-cv-00766. Keep an eye out. No matter if you pretend not to care or don't actually care about it, trust me, this one is important to you, too. We should be agreeing on this one. Only actual fascists should not be agreeing here.
Lucy is definitely the only person who posts in these threads that I genuinely believe to be a despicable, evil human being
I've seen some others that agree with him on occasion, but I don't even remember their names, so I largely agree. There are some seriously deluded idiots around here, but none anywhere near as garbage as Luciom is.
Oh, it's definitely true. One of the most important cases for the future of this country is JGG vs. Donald Trump, 1:25-cv-00766. Keep an eye out.
It is relevant but i don't think it's super-important.
Higher courts will have to determine if the government is right about jurisdiction, once the planes are above international waters, and about the detail of the timing of the injunction (if it has to be registered in the electronic docket to start having validity, or if the moment it is expressed by voice in public is when the clock starts).
Then ofc there is the over-arching topic of all injuctions at the district levels with nationwide implication that don't regard plaintiffs. Sooner or later we hope SCOTUS will say something about that.
Wait, you put yourself on par with the President of the USA in causing mental anguish amongst American Democrats? What an ego. Loooool. You are a nothing burger in the grand scheme of life.
No just among 2+2 leftist users.
Some people here have their only good moment in their day when they come here and insult me lol. I feel like i am occupying a relevant mental health nice that allows them not to completely break down
Tariff shenanigans are quite terrible for stockmarkets
It is relevant but i don't think it's super-important.
Higher courts will have to determine if the government is right about jurisdiction, once the planes are above international waters, and about the detail of the timing of the injunction (if it has to be registered in the electronic docket to start having validity, or if the moment it is expressed by voice in public is when the clock starts).
Then ofc there is the over-arching topic of all injuctions at the district levels with nationwide implic
You know, just cause no one has made these arguments before doesn’t make them “interesting” or “thought provoking”. It could be because they are so completely ******ed that no with announce of self respect would make them.
But as a person who professes to detest government power, let me ask you - if you disagree that a court has jurisdiction to tell you what to do, do you:
-comply for the moment and appeal
Or
-do it anyways, mock the court, and campaign for the judge to be impeached
No just among 2+2 leftist users.
Some people here have their only good moment in their day when they come here and insult me lol. I feel like i am occupying a relevant mental health nice that allows them not to completely break down
Truly the paisting of politics' forum.
Gotta show dem libs who's driving!
"West Virginia deserved to be in the NCAA tournament, " Morrisey, standing at a lectern with a sign reading "National Corrupt Athletic Association, " said Monday in Charleston, West Virginia. "This was a miscarriage of justice and robbery at the highest levels."
I know nothing about Governor Morrisey but I’m just gonna assume he was a trump endorsed candidate when he ran
Ya it’s kinda wild. I have this fucker on ignore and in the fraction of his posts that I see cuz theyre quoted it’s just like….bro. Your life fucking sucks. If I posted as much on an internet poker forum as he does about literally anything on a daily basis my wife would divorce me tomorrow. If I did it about spreading his uber far right psychopathy in the politics forum of an internet poker forum and then boasted it’s a teardrop in the ocean compared to my Internet forum posting my wife would probably have me murdered instead of divorcing me cuz i live in a community property state and I clearly have nothing
You know, just cause no one has made these arguments before doesn’t make them “interesting” or “thought provoking”. It could be because they are so completely ******ed that no with announce of self respect would make them.
But as a person who professes to detest government power, let me ask you - if you disagree that a court has jurisdiction to tell you what to do, do you:
-comply for the moment and appeal
Or
-do it anyways, mock the court, and campaign for the judge
Do you realize the trump admin did comply for all planes that were grounded yet, or just took off yes? from the moment the injunction was registered in the docket?
You talking like they completly lolled at the order. They lolled at the idea that some planes were already over the line they think made them fully compliant anyway, because the judge simply has no say what the president has to do outside of US borders, ever, no exception.
Do you think judges can ever order the president to do something outside of US borders?
Is your position that the US government ALWAYS has to comply in full to any order by a district judge no matter what? without any limit ever? i think that's incredibly insane to claim. Where in the constitution is that?
I'm seeing these polls and I have to wonder wtf happened to us as a country. Were we this bad all along and we just didn't have someone as bad (or worse) as us run for president? I just don't get it.
These idiots and *******s have always been around. The internet absolutely has contributed to the "rise" of these zeros as it allows them to see that there are other shitbags out there just like them, but Trump is also a huge factor. He has the uncanny ability to coalesce these varying factions of idiots and *******s into a giant club that he is pounding the rest of the country with. No other GOPtard has that gift. (Nor are there any Dems with it.) Not JD Vance. Not Rubio. Not DeSantis. None of them. None of them would have straight up lied about the 2020 election being rigged. Or said the Ukraine started the war. Or any other number of completely insane lies Trump has told. He is completely devoid of shame and empathy. He is one in a billion. A total ****ing monster.
All this **** stops once Trump is dead and gone. Others will surely try to emulate Trump, but they will not be able to. Trump is a force of nature, the likes of which we've never seen. And should be dealt with as such.
Do you realize the trump admin did comply for all planes that were grounded yet, or just took off yes? from the moment the injunction was registered in the docket?
You talking like they completly lolled at the order. They lolled at the idea that some planes were already over the line they think made them fully compliant anyway, because the judge simply has no say what the president has to do outside of US borders, ever, no exception.
Do you think judges can ever order the president to do something
Um- yes to both?
It is a bedrock principal of law that the there is no geographical limit to the jurisdiction of the court. Especially not when the government is HERE IN AMERICA still.
Can you name a single example ever of the US government arguing otherwise? Cause the current DOJ didn’t cite anything beyond “inherent Article II authority”
Do you realize the trump admin did comply for all planes that were grounded yet, or just took off yes? from the moment the injunction was registered in the docket?
You talking like they completly lolled at the order. They lolled at the idea that some planes were already over the line they think made them fully compliant anyway, because the judge simply has no say what the president has to do outside of US borders, ever, no exception.
Do you think judges can ever order the president to do something
Yes, flag state law usually carry over to aircraft.
Airspace law can be complex, but that is more when multiple nationalities are involved over foreign airspace and a plane can not return to its flag space. When it is a matter of an airplane in international airspace, it is pretty simple. The law of the flag state applies.
As for whether the executive branch should be required to follow a court orders, you are the one who have spent hundreds of posts on this forum stating that the courts are the arbiters of the law, the checks and balance on government overreach. You have even suggested that people who do not comply with the courts should be killed.
This change in argumentation would suggest that you only think it is people you disagree with who should be held to court order, and be extension that only people you disagree should be killed for not adhering to the courts. There are many interesting terms for that, but suffice to say you did not leave libertarianism behind so much as you never bothered with it to begin with.
Other than that, it is certainly true that the executive not following court order is a time-honored tradition in most democracies, though in a healthy democracy it is used sparingly. Techniques include stalling for legislative change, letting funds run out, reorganizing, downsizing staff, ordering new reviews, following the order's letter but not the spirit and so forth.
The problem of course, is that whether this is okay is based on norms and on the presumption that the legislative would step up if it goes out of bonds. The US has abandoned its political norms, and the legislative at this point is run by Trump's most ardent supporters on Twitter. In summary: The US is in a pickle.
Do you realize the trump admin did comply for all planes that were grounded yet, or just took off yes? from the moment the injunction was registered in the docket?
You talking like they completly lolled at the order. They lolled at the idea that some planes were already over the line they think made them fully compliant anyway, because the judge simply has no say what the president has to do outside of US borders, ever, no exception.
Do you think judges can ever order the president to do something
Luciom,
Based on the reporting from the hearing that is going on right now, DOJ seems to be arguing that the government did comply because the court's order wasn't posted on the docket until after a couple of the planes landed. That argument that doesn't even pass the red face test. Every lawyer in the world knows that orders from the bench have immediate effect, even if the written ruling isn't posted immediately.
In any case, even if you were to credit the DOJ's argument, surely you would agree that Trump is testing the waters on defying court orders, which is exactly what I told you would happen two months ago. I strongly suggest that you start workshopping your arguments for why the federal government simply doesn't have to comply with federal court orders, because that is where Trump is heading. I don't know how much more evidence you need.
Absolutely he is, as it is 100% in his character. When a normal person sees a fence, they go around it. Trump shakes it to see if it’ll fall over. This who he is, always was and will continue to be. And it’s why he never should have gotten a single vote. The US is in real trouble.
Absolutely he is, as it is 100% in his character. When a normal person sees a fence, they go around it. Trump shakes it to see if it’ll fall over. This who he is, always was and will continue to be. And it’s why he never should have gotten a single vote. The US is in real trouble.
Agreed, and he tends to shake the fence in the first instance in situations where he thinks the subjects of his actions are unsympathetic.
