The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

I'm surprised after you got so badly owned the last time you tried to make this terrible argument you repeated it again. Once again, I suppose.

In Covid, people lost their jobs TO SAVE A HUGE NUMBER OF LIVES.
With tariffs, people would lose their jobs TO APPEASE THE EGO OF A MEGALAMANIC.

To suggest that someone isn't being completely genuine and empathetic to the suffering of Trump declaring economic warfare on Canada because I also was completely genuine and empathetic to the suffering of people dying from a pandemic is pathetic.

Then act like it. Stop parroting every talking point that comes out of his mouth. If you don't want to be called an idol then stop acting like you idolize him and being a trumpy timbit trumpkin every other post.

[QUOTE=uke_master]So can you list three specific, quotable, defined policies that Poilievre has articulated that you think will make your life better in a way different from Carney?[/QUOTE]

Lol fail. All three of those things are stuff Carney pledged.

Try again!

No Carney has pledged only to end the personal carbon tax and we all know he will greatly increase it on Alberta

I think the NDP are in for huge loss as Jagmit is so tied to Trudeau

Hey the Liberals were dead in the water a few months ago and with Carney its a good fight. His french has improved also

From His platform

1.The Conservative leader advocates for substantial deregulation, especially in natural resource development. His platform calls for accelerating mine approvals, noting that the current 18-year approval process needs streamlining [3].

Subsequently, he plans to boost Western Canada's liquefied natural gas exports by following the U.S. model of expedited plant approvals

2.The Conservative leader advocates for accelerating resource development across Canada. His strategy primarily focuses on speeding up mine approvals, noting that current processes can take up to 25 years [16]. Besides, Poilievre pledges to expand lumber harvesting and port capacity to boost northern British Columbia's economy [16].

Essentially, his resource development approach includes a novel First Nations revenue-sharing program. Under this plan, Indigenous communities would collect 50% of federal taxes from industrial activities on their lands [17]. This initiative aims to provide First Nations with direct control over resource development benefits [18].

That’s great !
Less equalization payment from Alberta , they should be happy!

Poilievre has only pledged to end the consumer carbon tax too. He has yet to say what he would do with the industrial carbon tax*. I asked for three things that directly affect YOU. That's what you said. You said Poilievre was better for YOU PERSONALLY. You get at best a weak half point for this. Nothing else?

* My best guess is he planned to keep it. However, now that carney has moved to match his position on the consumer end, he might now pledge to end the industrial portion too to appear more to the right.

This is what you said:

"My life". I'm trying to figure out what policies you think do that. While Carney ALSO promises expediated approvals, neither of us work in a mine. So outside of vague trickle down economic benefits, I'm trying to figure out if you actually can name an explicit policy that directly positively benefits you.

Currently at none.

I have already listed the two policies that benefit me . Carbon tax gone and no GST on homes under a million. Carney can promise anything but like Justin we all know some of them are hard so he may not do them .

Ill stick with the guy that that made the promises years ago

Also Carney's alternative to a personal carbon tax will make life less affordable

Well if their the same why don’t you just for Pierre?

Here’s another one big cuts to the CBC

Can you really not do this? Those are identical promises on Carney and Poilievre. They are also both highly likely to be implemented, by either person.

Why is it so hard for you to find things that benefit you and only one of the two is promising? Like you can whine about the CBC, if you must, but that doesn't fit the category of some big thing directly affecting you.

I don't think they are "the same". I think that the policies you've mentioned so far are the same. All politicians overlap on some policies and disagree on others. So while Carney is positioning himself very much in the center by stepping to the right compared to Trudeau he had adopted MORE of the positions that poilievre has adopted than others. But they are very much still not the same thing.

It's also worth noting that we are in a bizarre inversion right now where despite Poilievre being the PM in waiting for 2 years now, we still know shockingly little about what he will actually do and actually know MORE about Carney's platform than Poilievre's despite Carney only being around for a month. So the couple things Poilievre has actually said - consumer carbon tax and GST on new homes - those are positions got adopted by Carney immediately. Like for instance, we can guess that the CPC will slash things like dental care and $10 a day daycare, but we don't know that because Poilievre tries to not say any of his cuts, only the "good" things.

Lozen , if the answer is "because woke", just say that. It would viable-ish.

Because attempting to do it with actual tangible economic reasons in here so far is not a good look for you.

My personal take is "because woke" is not a good enough reason to elect Trump sympathizers. I want someone who is going to be much harder on Trump than Pierre is. That's me. And among the conservative voters I know, "because woke" tends to be the most common answer since Carney appeared as the front runner. Most of the spending or over spending stuff is put to rest.

"Because woke" may be what keeps the Democrats from getting back in as quickly as this disaster down south merits. Honestly they shot their own faces off their collectively. And the hope is as a party, they dial it way way down. The center is the answer. Always has been.

Yes the liberals are woke and personally i think feminine products mandated by the liberals in Men's washrooms is just stupid along with men having babies, men in women's prisons Also A child should never be allowed to make a life long decision to mutilate or castrate themselves. If your an adult all the power to you and Im even Ok with our healthcare system paying for it

I understand why someone like yourself is back on the Liberal bandwagon as Carney is a refreshing choice compared to Justin Trudeau

Yes Carney says he will eliminate the carbon tax . My question to you is how could someone like Uke still support the Liberals when they have abandoned their climate strategy just to win an election ? Also take the environment minister whom said he would resign if the Liberals abandoned the carbon tax system any further than they did with Atlantic provinces. Seems he is more concerned with collecting a paycheck .

So you ask me to trust individuals that have been saying one thing for 9 years and now will say anything just to get elected? HMMM and you say that is not a good look for me

As it pertains to Trump and tariffs I think either Carney or Pierre will do a competent job negotiating with the USA unlike Justin who just stokes the fire

The very BASIS of Pierre, is to say anything to get elected. The guy's whole platform is that.

So that simply can't be the deciding factor. Pierre is all show. He's a literal showman, like the guy down south.

See the difference here is I answered your questions yet you never addressed any of mine and Im the one your questioning

I'm not sure why you are asking rafiki about my opinion, but it's pretty simple. I liked the carbon tax. Carney liked the carbon tax. The political reality was that it became - wrongly in my view - unpopular. So instead we go for the next best thing and try to take meaningful action on climate change with a different methodology than the carbon tax.

One of the confusions that a lot of people have in their minds is that the carbon tax as the most out front consumer facing policy was the ONLY policy, but it was always projected to be responsible for only 8-9% of the total reductions to meet the 2030 goals. The industrial carbon tax, methan regulation, oil and gas, EVs, clean fuel standards etc each of these plays a part of that budget according to current liberal plans.

So yes, I'm disappointed that a "consumer" facing thing like the consumer carbon tax is going to cut that 8-9% and make it harder to achieve the necessary reductions. But I'd still prefer the party moving forward on a host of issues than the party planning to cut basically everything (maybe? poilievre still won't say his take on industrial carbon tax - shocking i know).

You endlessly bring these up and it just seems such a ridiculous thing to be upset about. Like obviously trans men can have babies. If someone identifies as a man and has a baby like wtf does it hurt you? How are you negatively affected by this? Why does it matter how they identify?

Similar for tampons in a men's bathroom. Ok so a trans man goes to the bathroom and privately in a stall uses a tampon because they have their period. How does this negatively impact your life? Why is it so terrible? We put tampons in women's bathrooms it's just a basic hygiene product, but you can ignore it. LIke does it just ick you out that there is a tampon dispenser there? Like who the **** cares?

I'm sometimes sympathetic to places in society where there is a real trade off like trans people in high level sports where helping trans people feel included hurts other people and there is more nuance to that discussion but sure I'll just give it to you. But what I don't really get is why the same people keep bashing stuff to make trans people feel included in places where there ISN"T a trade off. Like who the **** is hurt by a trans man calling themselves a man when they have a baby?

I have cast my vote for Mark Carney.

That was an incredibly secure voting process, well done Liberals. Some people have criticized that this is a somewhat laborious process having to download the canada post app to confirm identify with drivers license, all your basic info, 3D face scan etc to have it double checked against elections Canada records. However, conservatives were doing pointless fearmongering because they didn't understand the difference between REGISTERING to vote and VERIFYING your eligibility to vote - basically anyone who was a liar could do the former, but basically impossible to cheat the latter. Anyways, I think our federal elections should have the same online voting option, it is really great.

You are correct they definitely stepped up their security compared to before . Lets be honest Carney will be the candidate they would be fools to choose anyone else

What do you mean "compared to before". The 2013 liberal leadership race over a decade ago? Seems like a silly slight. Well ya, we literally didn't have things like the canada post identify app with face scanning tech etc. That said, the information you had to provide for the 2013 liberal leadership race was basically the same as the 2022 conservative leadership race - but the latter was sadly still only done with paper ballots.

The outstanding rules of the party did not require that you even be a citizen of the country.

Ah, the usual conservative conflation. That the liberals allow permanent residents of Canada to vote is nothing about "improving their security". That's a question of values. Permanent residents of Canada have proof of Canadian drivers licenses or similar, who are vetted this isn't the horror stories of temporary foreign workers. I think these people DO have a stake in Canada and it's not unreasonable to allow them to participate in a limited way in democracy and have their voices heard in a country they live in and care for. There are a bunch of countries that have various degrees of allowing permanent residents to vote even in federal elections not just leadership races, and that's debatable but I like the idea I think and regardless that context is pretty important compared to just "not even be a citizen". But it has nothing to do with security.

I don't think carney would actually scrap the carbon tax. as you said its pretty popular among his base

Oh he would scrap the personal one but replace it with a massive one on big industry

This is man that moved his Brookfield Properties shareholders to move to NY and supports pipelines in other countries but not ours

There is about a zero percent chance of this imo. Ya the carbon tax is great policy as most liberals think, but this is a clear and explicit promise and his mandate would be entirely presuming this. Heck even I as a supporter of the carbon tax would call for an election if he got a mandate based on cancelling the consumer carbon tax and then immediately turn around and kept it.