Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.

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by metsandfinsfan k

Awful biased factually inaccurate source but even still, if it is true, he phrased a ridiculous question and was given a ridiculous answer

Begin called himself the father of terrorism. That is an outright lie!

But if he did call himself the father of terrorism then it must have been a joke.


I know some people supported taking down the posters of the hostages these past 15 months so I hope me posting the pictures of the first 3 being returned doesn't offend anyone

Since at least two of them were shot on October 7, let us all pray that they were given enough care that they healed, at least partially and may they be returned to their homes safely

Baruch Hashem



by metsandfinsfan k


Hamas has announced it will release Romi Gonen, Emily Damari, and Doron Steinbrecher as the first group of hostages under the framework agreement. All three women were abducted on October 7:

Romi Gonen, 23, was taken from the Nova music festival after being shot in the hand. Released hostages previously reported she was alive but needed urgent medical care for her hand injury.

Emily Damari, 28, was abducted from her Kfar Aza apartment after being shot in the hand and suffering shrapnel wounds to




I'm having an issue editing the Pic in the last post

Here's 32 of the 33 hostages allegedly being released in this phase


gotta love US media articles showing pictures and humanizing stories about the Israeli pows and hostages and then not mentioning anything about the thousands of Palestinians abducted with no charges including many children.


by Victor k

gotta love US media articles showing pictures and humanizing stories about the Israeli pows and hostages and then not mentioning anything about the thousands of Palestinians abducted with no charges including many children.

Your incredible empathy is duly noted!

Aren't you happy about the Palestinian prisoners being released!!!! Why so grumpy!!


The prisoners that did commit acts of terror from Judea or Samaria will not return there. They will go to Gaza or some I believe Libya

Looking forward to the ethnic cleansing comments


Im pretty happy



They didn't lose. They just didn't win because there was nothing to win


I guess they got fisted huh vic?


by Victor k

gotta love US media articles showing pictures and humanizing stories about the Israeli pows and hostages and then not mentioning anything about the thousands of Palestinians abducted with no charges including many children.

Wissam Abbasi, Mohammad Odeh and Wael Qassim
Wissam Abbasi, 48, Mohammad Odeh, 52, and Wael Qassim, 54, were jailed in 2002 on accusations of carrying out Hamas attacks against Israelis during the Second Intifada. According to Israel’s justice ministry, the three men were given life sentences for murder and a string of other crimes.

According to contemporary Israeli media reports, the men were among several convicted of being involved in a Hamas cell in Jerusalem that was responsible for a string of bombings that killed over 30 Israelis in crowded civilian areas.

The attacks included a Hamas bombing at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem that killed nine people, including four U.S. citizens, according to the Israeli authorities.

Mr. Odeh, who was working as a painter at the university, planted the bomb in a cafeteria and covered it with a newspaper, The New York Times reported at the time, citing Israeli officials. When he left, he remotely detonated the explosive with a cellphone, the officials said.

Under the terms of the cease-fire deal, the men will not be allowed to return to their homes in Jerusalem, according to the Israeli justice ministry. They will be required to live in exile, although it is unclear where they will be allowed to go.

Khalida Jarrar
One of the most prominent Palestinian prisoners expected to be released as early as Sunday is Khalida Jarrar, 62, a leader in the left-wing Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

Ms. Jarrar, a prominent activist for the rights of Palestinians jailed by Israel, was elected to the Palestinian Parliament in the 2006 elections.

The United States and the European Union consider the Popular Front a terrorist organization. The group became notorious in the late 1960s for a series of plane hijackings, as well as other attacks, including during the Second Intifada.

Ghassan Jarrar, her husband, said in a telephone interview that the Israeli authorities had not allowed him to visit his wife since her arrest in December 2023. He has grasped for any news of her condition he could get from rare visits by her lawyer, he said.

Ms. Jarrar has spent much of the past decade in and out of Israeli prison, although she has not been convicted of direct involvement in the Popular Front’s military activities. In 2015, she was sentenced to 15 months for incitement and belonging to a banned organization.

In recent years, Israel has mostly held Ms. Jarrar without formal charges. Rights groups call the practice a severe violation of due process, while Israel says it is necessary at times to protect sensitive intelligence.

In 2021, her daughter Suha died while Ms. Jarrar was being held in an Israeli prison. Israel denied a request to grant her a humanitarian furlough to attend the funeral.


by Victor k

Im pretty happy

So you aren't happy about prisoner rele

You are happy because you think after 80 years Israel finally lost a war!!

Okay, big win buddy!!


by Victor k

Im pretty happy

You do realize that Gaza will not be rebuilt until the terrorist group hamas is out of power, right? Who do you think this is a win for? The terrorists or the people of Gaza?


Victor

You believe the the estimates are wrong and well over 100,000 gazan civilians were murdered. You believe genocide was committed. And over a million Gazans have lost their homes

And you consider this a win because 1000 prisoners are getting released and many sent to exile?


by Victor k

Im pretty happy

all's well that ends well


I guess if you have low expectations you take any win you can get


by metsandfinsfan k

So you aren't happy about prisoner rele

You are happy because you think after 80 years Israel finally lost a war!!

Okay, big win buddy!!

Im happy at the fuming in Israeli media right now. they mad.

by metsandfinsfan k

The prisoners that did commit acts of terror from Judea or Samaria will not return there. They will go to Gaza or some I believe Libya

Looking forward to the ethnic cleansing comments

right so this is pretty much tacit admission that very few of the prisoners did anything terroristic.

and this goes to my point. NYT is highlighting the prisoners who engaged in righteous armed struggle and ignoring all of the uncharged prisoners (including children) who were abducted for "leverage" as an earlier Jal post showed the Israeli's admitting.

I especially like how they try to smear Jarrar by mentioning actions from the PFLP from the ****ing 60s.


by metsandfinsfan k

Victor

You believe the the estimates are wrong and well over 100,000 gazan civilians were murdered. You believe genocide was committed. And over a million Gazans have lost their homes

And you consider this a win because 1000 prisoners are getting released and many sent to exile?

no thats pretty infuriating.

Im happy bc the Palestinians are celebrating right now and they withstood a genocide. Israeli media and social media is fuming for the same reasons it seems.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_e...


Keep living in a fantasy world

People in Israel are celebrating that their loved ones are coming home

I would hope Palestinians were celebrating their loved ones coming home too. Can you link me to some Eastern media articles discussing how the families of falsely held Palestinians are excited to be reunited with their loved ones?
I'd seriously like to read them.


Your'e happy because from your armchair in the West you are confident that Israel media is fuming and you care about what Israel social media thinks

Does US social media have any affect on anything in your life? Lol


by Victor k

no thats pretty infuriating.

Im happy bc the Palestinians are celebrating right now and they withstood a genocide. Israeli media and social media is fuming for the same reasons it seems.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_e...

You said you were happy so that must outweigh the infuriating part?


What are you happy about from your armchair in the West?


by metsandfinsfan k

Keep living in a fantasy world

People in Israel are celebrating that their loved ones are coming home

I would hope Palestinians were celebrating their loved ones coming home too. Can you link me to some Eastern media articles discussing how the families of falsely held Palestinians are excited to be reunited with their loved ones?
I'd seriously like to read them.

maybe you missed this part.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_e...

its illegal for the families to celebrate the return of their family members in Palestine. so I doubt there will be many people speaking candidly to reporters before the release.


by Victor k

maybe you missed this part.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_e...

its illegal for the families to celebrate the return of their family members in Palestine. so I doubt there will be many people speaking candidly to reporters before the release.

I agree it's pretty ridiculous but

  • it isn't passed. it was being discussed
  • both this article and another I found said celebrating in Israel, and it mentioned Ashkelon and Jerusalem
  • neither Ashkelon or Jerusalem are part of what you are referring to as Palestine

Ashkelon is where the main prison is and is part of Israel. Don't lecture me about it being part of the Arab state in the partition plan

There is nothing in this suggested measure that would prevent anyone from celebrating in Gaza or Ramalah

So stop extrapolating

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