Israel/Palestine thread
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I was just watching Candace Owens being interviewed by pierce Morgan where she says that Bibi knew the attack would happen and the US and Bibi wanted it to happen and the idf didn't respond for 2 hours because they wanted it to happen and I forgot I was watching far right whackjob Candace Owens and thought i was reading from the anti zionist lefties in this thread
Both the far right and the far left hate Israel and people who are not extreme support Israel's right to exist and don't buy into this
that "far right" is just far left lol. they are also leftists on economic topics (they want to "protect American workers" and so on, they are Marxists)
I've never been a supporter of Hamas. Please stop this nonsense now.
I don't think the Oct 7th attacks were right but when attacked as Palestinians have been for many decades, you do have the right to attack back.
The US should understand this better than most as they constantly cited their right to respond with force after 9/11.
The resistance is headed by Hamas is it not? If these people are fighting back it's through acts of terrorism. The US fights back through military force. The US fights back because it can have a significant influence on preventing future terrorist acts. Hamas attacks because they hope to wipe Israel off the map. The attacks by Hamas have no hope to bring good to the Gazan people. They are simply lead by hatred. The Israelis have responded by creating tighter security restrictions. I get why the Gazans don't like it but unfortunately for them actions have consequences.
What do you think the people of Gaza should do going forward. Continue a losing battle and continue to wreck their city? It seems to me a paradigm shift in in order. They need to do something different because fighting back is insane.
we arent supposed to make Nazi comparisons in this thread for quite obv reasons...
anyway no, the far left does not think that Bibi let it happen. they think it was a glorious tactical victory by the indomitable and righteous national resistance forces of the oppressed indigenous peoples.
we arent supposed to make Nazi comparisons in this thread for quite obv reasons...
anyway no, the far left does not think that Bibi let it happen. they think it was a glorious tactical victory by the indomitable and righteous national resistance forces of the oppressed indigenous peoples.
You're now claiming you never said in this thread that bibi knew about it and purposely ignored the intelligence?
And I was saying that nazis were Marxists i didn't say anyone here was a nazi. I know you are terror to get be banned again with your cunning language nice yet
your problem is that you dont read very well and then make up a bunch of bullshit.
I agree
I'm the problem
And a zionist
well you can start by not attributing things to me that I just explained I dont agree with.
Egypt says Israel will release 1,890 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for 33 Israeli hostages in the first phase of the ceasefire
Do you think these "resistance fighters"/terrorists have made the lives of Gazans better or worse?
The true answer to this question will reveal itself once Palestine is no longer under military occupation.
War is bad, really unfortunate that innocent people die.
how is it racist to disagree with Hamas (and any other similar group in the present or the past) in any way lol?
It isn’t. Maybe my wording was not indicative of the point I was trying to make which is that it absolutely racist to say things like:
The true answer to this question will reveal itself once Palestine is no longer under military occupation.
War is bad, really unfortunate that innocent people die.
It isn’t. Maybe my wording was not indicative of the point I was trying to make which is that it absolutely racist to say things like:
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Or to use quotation marks around Palestine/Palestinians which you have done on several occasions ITT.
When did the Palestinian cause start?
Was there a Palestinian cause from 1948-1967 when Jordan annexed "the west bank" and Egypt Occupied and governed Gaza?
Gotwoot please answer those 2 questions when you get a chance
There were deviously definitely Palestinian refugees in the 1950s
But was then having their own nation an actual cause? No.
When Jordan offered citizenship, most took it
Of course Jordan took it away to help start the Palestinian cause in 1967
Stop with the personal comments or we’ll be taking more timeouts until we can learn. If some of us can’t ever learn, maybe we need to go back to the bin again.
Looks like hamas won't give the list of the 33 names and the deal may fall through
Damn zionists
You can also chill out with the antagonistic comments about Zionists too. Get a grip of yourself.
Begin, a Nobel Laureate and ex PM of Israel, was part of a Militant group for 5 years and he has written in The Revolt — “we were not a terrorist group”. Fighting for a cause and taking on the mighty British empire got him branded as a terrorist.
That's because he was one. Terrorists always claim they aren't terrorists. (Pretty sure Hamas claim they aren't.) And Begin could have chosen to join the Allied forces and fight Hitler, but instead chose to fight on Hitler's side against Britain. And you can't get much lower than that.
That's because he was one. Terrorists always claim they aren't terrorists. (Pretty sure Hamas claim they aren't.) And Begin could have chosen to join the Allied forces and fight Hitler, but instead chose to fight on Hitler's side against Britain. And you can't get much lower than that.
That's your opinion but irrelevant to this discussion
Brian was repeating a false lie that Begin called himself the father of terrorism. That is an outright lie
In 1974, British author and journalist Russell Warren Howe interviewed Begin.
The red light had come on, under the lens. Without preamble, I turned my shoulder to the camera, stared straight into Begin's eyes, and asked: "How does it feel, in the light of all that's going on, to be the father of terrorism in the Middle East?"
"In the Middle East?" he bellowed, in his thick, cartoon accent. "In all the world! " I had finally broken the ice.
Back in Jerusalem that night, I called my ambassador friend to tell him of Begin's remark.
"You see, he does have a sense of humor! "
"Russell, you have understood nothing, said the diplomat, unintentionally reminding me of being put in my place by schoolteacher Meir six years before. "He was absolutely serious when he said that. "
There were deviously definitely Palestinian refugees in the 1950s
But was then having their own nation an actual cause? No.
When Jordan offered citizenship, most took it
Of course Jordan took it away to help start the Palestinian cause in 1967
You could argue and likely be correct in saying that the roots of the Palestinian cause started well before 1948. There were movements in opposition to the rise in Zionism & Jewish immigration to Palestine at the start of the 20th century. Feel free to look up Palestine Arab Congress.
Claiming that there was no such thing prior to 1967 is a bit of a reach.
In 1974, British author and journalist Russell Warren Howe interviewed Begin.
Awful biased factually inaccurate source but even still, if it is true, he phrased a ridiculous question and was given a ridiculous answer that even his boss saw as a joke, but when you have an agenda, you wouldnt
You could argue and likely be correct in saying that the roots of the Palestinian cause started well before 1948. There were movements in opposition to the rise in Zionism & Jewish immigration to Palestine at the start of the 20th century. Feel free to look up Palestine Arab Congress.
Claiming that there was no such thing prior to 1967 is a bit of a reach.
Prior to 1948 it was all about stopping zionism. The people you call Palestinians did not want their own nation
When they were part of Egypt from 48 to 73 and Jordan from 48 to 67, they did not try to become a nation
Only after Israel took over the land and both Jordan and Egypt abandoned them did the Palestinian cause become a thing
Not before
Plo did start in 1964 as a way to be in charge of all the land from river to sea
Founded in 1964, it initially sought to establish an Arab state over the entire territory of the former Mandatory Palestine, advocating the elimination of Israel
The Palestinian National Council convened in Jerusalem on 28 May 1964. After concluding the meeting, the PLO was founded on 2 June 1964. Its stated "complementary goals" were Arab unity and the liberation of Palestine
So I was wrong. A few years before 67 they did become a thing but did not try to overthr the Egyptian or Jordanian government in either territory and were focused on taking the land known as Israel
