Israel/Palestine thread
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lol is this the new talking point?
they dont practice FGM in Palestine. do a quick google search before spewing the bad faith.
It's true that FGM in Gaza isn't common.
But it isn't outlawed, as isn't marital rape. Even thinking of not outlawing FGM is beyond reproach and completly incompatible with us.
It’s amusing how quickly all of the Arab states came together to try and figure out an alternative solution to Trump’s Gaza plan. All it took was threatening them with the prospect of taking in some radical Gazans to get them scrambling.
would it be better if it was outlawed but people still still did it?
you guys are trying to denigrate and dehumanize the Palestinians for something they dont even do.
lol is this the new talking point?
they dont practice FGM in Palestine. do a quick google search before spewing the bad faith.
https://www.undp.org/sites/g/files/zskgk...[
Not outlawed, not reported
UNFPA gives conflicting reports
https://www.unfpa.org/resources/female-g...
In the Middle East, the practice occurs in Oman, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen, as well as in Iraq, Iran, Jordan and the State of Palestine.
https://palestine.unfpa.org/sites/defaul...
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There is no evidence that female genital mutilation/circumcision is practiced in Palestine.41 Some believe that incidents occur in
certain communities42 such as in the southern parts of the Gaza Strip, where there is an Egyptian influence. However, laws and
policies do not specifically prohibit these practices.
And I said FGM is outlawed in Israel. I never said anything whether it was practiced in Gaza or not, but point being it's not outlawed and not reported.
would it be better if it was outlawed but people still still did it?
you guys are trying to denigrate and dehumanize the Palestinians for something they dont even do.
If it was outlawed and enforced, and Hamas put parents in jail for a long time when they catch them, and some people still did it, it would be far better yes, it would show at least Hamas is willing to use state power to fight a monstrous practice that has no place in the world at all.
I am trying (succesfully) to denigrate Hamas as moral monsters with no dignity
There is no evidence that female genital mutilation/circumcision is practiced in Palestine
ggwp
...That's why I said
UNFPA gives conflicting reports
If it was outlawed and enforced, and Hamas put parents in jail for a long time when they catch them, and some people still did it, it would be far better yes, it would show at least Hamas is willing to use state power to fight a monstrous practice that has no place in the world at all.
I am trying (succesfully) to denigrate Hamas as moral monsters with no dignity
Has it occurred to you that it's not illegal there yet because there are no great number of cases?
It took the UK until 2003 to pass a law against it.
If it was outlawed and enforced, and Hamas put parents in jail for a long time when they catch them, and some people still did it, it would be far better yes, it would show at least Hamas is willing to use state power to fight a monstrous practice that has no place in the world at all.
I am trying (succesfully) to denigrate Hamas as moral monsters with no dignity
Not sure it's ever been a custom in Palestine, except for one village in Jordan and formerly (though not now) among one Bedouin group in the southern Negev.
I recommend the Netflix series "Mo." It's about a Palestinian refugee making it in Houston without papers. The season two finale in particular does a great job of busting through the censorship wall. Stars the comedian Mohammad Amer.
Why the need for damage control? Israel has completely transformed the Middle East in the last year and a half. Their not so good neighbors are about to get evicted. Hezbollah has been neutered. Iran is no longer a threat. Israel is doing just fine. Did you see how giddy Bibi was when he met with Trump? Also, do you really think Israel cares or ever has cared about liberal opinion polls? It's this lack of support that makes it essential that Jews have their own country. This is a very small coun
I'm aware that there are plenty of reasons to take a victory lap. But given that none of this would be possible with US funding/diplomatic support, the question is whether this will still be the case in 30 years when Gen Z are in their 50s and a Democrat is in office.
Do you think the Israel lobby is so powerful that it can override US public opinion for eternity?
I'm aware that there are plenty of reasons to take a victory lap. But given that none of this would be possible with US funding/diplomatic support, the question is whether this will still be the case in 30 years when Gen Z are in their 50s and a Democrat is in office.
Do you think the Israel lobby is so powerful that it can override US public opinion for eternity?
well you are describing why Israel needs to reach a permanent solution from which no change in American politics can matter anymore as soon as possible
I'm aware that there are plenty of reasons to take a victory lap. But given that none of this would be possible with US funding/diplomatic support, the question is whether this will still be the case in 30 years when Gen Z are in their 50s and a Democrat is in office.
Do you think the Israel lobby is so powerful that it can override US public opinion for eternity?
Why do you keep asking the same question over and over again?
You’ve been given answer, presumably an unsatisfactory one each time. You slink away without responding much then come back a few weeks later and ask the same question. Why?
It’s also humorous to continuously rail about gen Z when they were a central piece in getting Trump elected and fast tracking Bibi’s plans. Gen Z is so easily controlled it doesn’t really matter what they think at any given point, and they barely know themselves. TBH you probably helped get us where we are right now.
I don't think so. Israel will just attack and slaughter again like they did 1947 and just about every year since.
However, Hamas has offered a much better deal than 1948! They only want the 67 borders!
Actually, I think the Palestinian situation is truly hopeless. No one has the stomach for the amount of coercion it would take to make their society functional.
Just a hopeless mess of zero sum tribalism, corruption, religious fanaticism, acceptance of non state political violence, foreign interference, and entitlement that the rest of the world should foot the bill for their dysfunction.
Truly the best thing the world could do is shut off the vast majority of aid. Most of the people would leave, and the small amount that stayed behind would be forced to behave very differently to create a functional society.
Even if you think the people should be allowed to stay if they want and behave as they wish, the rest of the world isn't obligated to pay for dysfunction.
This is why President Trump is stepping in to fix the Gaza situation. In this video we have Arab leaders saying all the right things if you are a "Palestinian". They are gonna make sure they aren't kicked out of Gaza. They are going to help to turn Gaza into the Riviera. They are gonna rebuild the schools and the hospitals and get them clean water...blah blah blah blah blah!
I have a question. Where have these people been? they've had 80 years to turn Gaza into the Riviera. Also, if you watch the entirety of this video not once do they mention Hamas. Not once do they mention the horrors of Oct 7th. How can you talk about the reconstruction of Gaza and not mention how you intend on removing Hamas as your government? Do they think the US and Israel will stand by and watch as the Gazans simply rinse and repeat history?
I'm aware that there are plenty of reasons to take a victory lap. But given that none of this would be possible with US funding/diplomatic support, the question is whether this will still be the case in 30 years when Gen Z are in their 50s and a Democrat is in office.
Do you think the Israel lobby is so powerful that it can override US public opinion for eternity?
Brown/black people are generally more antisemitic than white people. So demographic change in younger cohorts is going to make the nation more antisemitic.
However, if you think you can predict how political orientation is going to polarize in the next 30 years and what will be politically salient, I would say prepare to be surprised. A cold (or hot) war with China for example, could put the Israel/Palestine issue so far on the back burner that Israel could expel everyone in Gaza and no one in the US would care.
Actually, I think the Palestinian situation is truly hopeless. No one has the stomach for the amount of coercion it would take to make their society functional.
Just a hopeless mess of zero sum tribalism, corruption, religious fanaticism, acceptance of non state political violence, foreign interference, and entitlement that the rest of the world should foot the bill for their dysfunction.
Truly the best thing the world could do is shut off the vast majority of aid. Most of the people would leave
There is absolutely no way 500 thousand nutty well armed settlers will be removed from the West Bank. That ship has sailed. There is no way Israel is going to allow them to rebuild while Hamas is still in charge and while the tunnels still exist. The only way the "Palestinians" could possibly get their own nation is if the US took over a buffer zone between Gaza and Israel. All Gazans would have to be temporarily removed during the rebuild. Hamas and the tunnels would need to be 100% destroyed. All returning Gazans would have to be vetted. Teaching Hate would have to be removed from the school curriculum. Obviously, they would have to recognize Israel. The Temple MT area and the West Bank would need to be retuned entirely to Israel.
Basically, It's not happening.
Brown/black people are generally more antisemitic than white people.
I dunno man, I have access to history books still
actually, nevermind. I forgot that the meaning of antisemitism is a lot different than it was for 100 years ago. now it means anti-Israel.
So, I came across this movie about a group of surfers in Gaza, who are probably all dead by now. But it shows a different side of life in Gaza before the genocide and a small example of the humanity of the people who live(d) there. They were trapped in an open air prison with no future but found joy in the simple art of surfing.
some were able to evacuate through Rafah before the "red line" was crossed with the invasion. the rest were hunted down and killed. in a lot of ways they were worse than Hamas.
