Israel/Palestine thread
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1. The "mass rape story" was exactly that, a story, a myth; as Victor and others have called it, "atrocity propaganda", much like the "40 beheaded babies" myth, and others.
2. I doubt there's ever been a hot war in this planet's history where individuals from both sides DID NOT commit atrocities. Pointing to a single atrocity from either side proves little or nothing.
3. Only by taking an appropriately macro-lens can we appropriately judge the moral character of the conflicting sides. Any broadly accepted account of the violence shows that a disproportionate level of violence on civilian populations/killing of innocents is coming from Israel.
This doesn’t explicitly mention the thousands of Gazan “civilians” who spontaneously joined in on the attack and had no special mission or purpose other than to rape and kill.
lol -- just go ahead and continue to spew forth whatever nonsense your deranged mind comes up with
Anyway, I'm on a mission to educate the Ziofascists on the calender. They only recognize one day, 10/7/23. They seem to think the attack on that date materialized out of nowhere; I'm eager to help them learn about all of the death, poverty, and oppression committed by Israel on Palestinians that occurred on 10/4, 10/5, 10/6, 10/8, 10/9... all the way to 4/2/25 and beyond...
I'm not on the "mass rape" side, I don't swallow govt propaganda, especially during wartime. Is your stance zero rape? I don't know Victor's stance but the last few pages he seems to be painting it that way. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I appreciate your argument but another way to frame it. These guys have been training for over a year, maybe years, for a historic operation against their greatest enemy, people they have hated for generations. The odds are stacked against you. T
Well all you have to do is find one complainant and then you can be, potentially, valid in you beliefs. The Israelis prosecutor doesn't have any complainants. I provided citation. You think you know something she doesn't? You think she hasn't turned over every grain of sand in the dessert looking to satisfy the propaganda narrative? I have to think she would be under tremendous pressure to do so. Prosecutors typically aren't elected or appointed based on the soft approach to criminals. All the powerful people wanted these rapes to be real so badly. But they just weren't. It was a made up story to defame Hamas. That's all it ever was. It didn't happen.
We can go into the NYT coverage of this if you want to draw out the embarrassment.
She also stated that this could be because some victims were murdered after being raped and others didn't want to talk about it. Both of those are distinct possibilities.
She was just signaling her allegiance to the cause of defaming Hamas while she stated, unambiguously, that there is no crime to prosecute. There are measures to hide the identity of victims. Furthermore let's not pretend that Israelis are ones to shy away from claiming victim status, which they even claim while they are mass murdering 100,000 innocent people because they don't think the race/ethnicity of those people belong somewhere it has been for millennia.
She was just signaling her allegiance to the cause of defaming Hamas while she stated, unambiguously, that there is no crime to prosecute. There are measures to hide the identity of victims. Furthermore let's not pretend that Israelis are ones to shy away from claiming victim status, which they even claim while they are mass murdering 100,000 innocent people because they don't think the race/ethnicity of those people belong somewhere it has been for millennia.
Holy crap she defamed Hamas? as in via its dictionary definition, "damage the good reputation of (someone); slander or libel."?? 😮
Well this simply won't stand. We can't have the good reputation of Hamas besmirched via defamation. Especially defamed by J... um, Israelis! 😡
Seriously you have to be trolling.
source on these torture murders? all I have seen is a post from Dunyain and I dont think he is the most reliable.
Just caught this now
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/01/middl...
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2...
the very normal people in our society support mass beheadings of babies. they support literal rivers of blood in Gaza and Syria. they support raping doctors to death in torture camps.
so yes, I am extremely mentally ill compared to you guys.
Believing all that you wrote above is weird. In fact it completely discredits most of what you say. One of the reasons the government can discredit conspiracy's is that the theorist goes way over board with the lunatic takes. You are smart enough to where if you just dialed it back a bit people would take you more seriously.
She was just signaling her allegiance to the cause of defaming Hamas while she stated, unambiguously, that there is no crime to prosecute. There are measures to hide the identity of victims. Furthermore let's not pretend that Israelis are ones to shy away from claiming victim status, which they even claim while they are mass murdering 100,000 innocent people because they don't think the race/ethnicity of those people belong somewhere it has been for millennia.
You people have been saying they are mass murdering 100,000 people for a year and a half. Interestingly this number seems to be coming down. We are around 30k dead. I think it's closer to 20K.
Hamas has outright rejected an Israeli proposal to end the war following Hamas disbandment, political exile for senior figures, and hostage return.
For its part Israel has been rejecting Hamas proposals where Hamas would remain as a heavily armed paramilitary group, even if it wasn't a part of any future govt.
So at this point the main point of contention is the future of Hamas. Basically, Israel insists Hamas will have no future in Gaza; while Hamas insists that Gaza will have no future without their military rule over it.
You should peruse the official timeline of 10/7. The Israeli response was actually extremely slow. Most of the terrorists (especially the fist wave that was mostly Hamas) had plenty of time to massacre, take hostages, and get back before Israel had responded at all. There was plenty of time for sexual violence for those that may have been inclined.
Saying there was no time for sexual violence just shows profound ignorance on your part of how 10/7 went down.
Don't you think this sequence of events would have been surprising to the raiders? Don't you think they would have been paranoid that a counterattack was coming at any time given the IDF's capabilities?
ofc Hamas should just trust the genocidal Israelis and give up their weapons. makes sense.
this is Western civilization and Zionism.
seriously, dont click this. or do it if you want to see what you support.
ofc Hamas should just trust the genocidal Israelis and give up their weapons. makes sense.
All Hamas does with its weapons is hide in tunnels while Israel rules the skies and streets of Gaza with impunity. And fire the occasional rocket that has 1000x more chance of killing someone in Gaza than Israel (when you factor in 20% of their rockets fall in Gaza, which is tremendously densely populated and has no air defense or rocket shelters)
Israel is doing whatever they feel they can get away with from the international community, and Hamas and their weapons play no part in the equation.
Ironically, if Hamas laid down all their arms tomorrow, Israel would be forced by international pressure to greatly reduce, if not completely stop, their military actions in Gaza. And the international community would come flooding in with aid and start rebuilding.
Hamas weapons serve Hamas and the Israel war hawks, and do nothing for the people of Gaza.
Israel would be forced by international pressure to greatly reduce, if not completely stop, their military actions in Gaza. And the international community would come flooding in with aid and start rebuilding.
you live in an alternate reality. with others I would think they are just outright lying bc they fully understand the absurdity of their position and dont use words responsibly. with you, I think you do truly believe this.
you live in an alternate reality. with others I would think they are just outright lying bc they fully understand the absurdity of their position and dont use words responsibly. with you, I think you do truly believe this.
As I said before, at this point if you told me Hamas worked for Mossad, I couldn't just dismiss this off hand.
It would be one thing if they did 10/7, and used the hostages as leverage for some beneficial outcome for the people of Gaza. As it is, it seems their goal is the exact opposite. Their goal seems to be to hold hostages just to give Israel leverage to completely destroy Gaza one building at a time.
What exact value does Hamas bring, that their presence is essential for the Palestinian people? It isn't like they are deterring Israel at all. The IDF does whatever they want while Hamas with all their weapons hide underground. And then they wait for the IDF to leave before popping out to kill Palestinian "collaborators" and steal international aid.
I mean, I get what is in it for Hamas themselves. The Resistance is a fairly profitable grift, provided you live long enough to spend it. But I dont really get what is in it for the international community and the Palestinian people that they put up with these clowns. No rational upside at all.
Just zero sum -EV lizard brain tribalism at work.
Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israel is “seizing territory” and intends to “divide up” the Gaza Strip by building a new security corridor, amid a major expansion of aerial and ground operations in the besieged Palestinian territory.
And they said it would never happen.
Their goal seems to be to hold hostages just to give Israel leverage to completely destroy Gaza one building at a time.
this basically victim blaming.
Israel is destroying Gaza and beheading babies by the hour bc they are genocidal psychopaths completely indoctrinated to hate. and the reason they are indoctrinated in that way is bc it materially benefits them and the USA to do genocide. mass murder is very profitable to the White Empire. its not bc of Hamas. their goal has been to do genocide on the natives since the days of Jabotinsky and Herzl who often compared their project to the White genocide of the natives in the USA.
by holding onto their weapons they are able to delay the final solution for longer and perhaps be saved. it doesnt look good but its their only chance. also, they get to fight back and retain some dignity as if that means anything.
The posting has been really bad in this thread the last day at least. Try to post better
today we saw literal rivers of blood in the streets. multiple beheaded babies. a blanket full of body parts including a head. we saw the UN post videos of multiple people being sniped in front of them while they were retrieving the bodies of executed paramedics. we saw a UN refuge building bombed and many people burned alive. we saw dozens of attacks in Yemen that murdered countless civilians.
theres no reason to sugarcoat what is going on. theres no reason to give the people who support this any sort of courtesy. this will go down as a monstrous crime.
today we saw literal rivers of blood in the streets. multiple beheaded babies. a blanket full of body parts including a head. we saw the UN post videos of multiple people being sniped in front of them while they were retrieving the bodies of executed paramedics. we saw a UN refuge building bombed and many people burned alive. we saw dozens of attacks in Yemen that murdered countless civilians.
theres no reason to sugarcoat what is going on. theres no reason to give the people who support
Do you think we should just let the Houthis continue to lob bombs at ships and disrupt commerce.
