Israel/Palestine thread

Seriously, this is an insane level of "Clash of Civilizations" type thinking. "Some Muslims committed a terrorist attack, therefore it's appropriate to fear and hate all Muslims!" It's such a remarkably childish way to approach world events. Are you 5?

ohhhh, that's right, Ari Hoffman is one of those innumerable Rush Limbaugh wannabes with his own radio show (funny, they always say libs run the media, I guess radio doesn't count)

I knew that name was vaguely familiar. He was the guy who interviewed Trump when Trump said, and this is my best attempt at a legit paraphrase: "Israel LITERALLY used to run Congress, as you know, but now they're nowhere in Congress, with AOC and Talib and these characters..."

One of the countless times Trump dropped a hardcore antisemitic trope, yet he still enjoys support from all the Zionists, odd...

Edit:

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/trump-says-israel-literally-owned-congress-in-interview-683759

The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com

Trump says 'Israel literally owned Congress' in interview

LOL.

You asserting there was some Amazonian tribe (that you couldn't even name) that supposedly was more equal than Western society, that probably wasn't and regardless got conquered by 20 Spanish conquistadors, proves my point. Not yours.

Also, millions of Arabs/Muslims feeling victimized in the fallout of 9/11 does not invalidate my point it was still a pretty much best case outcome given what happened. 9/11 was very bad, and human beings are very tribal by nature. So the ability of the US, and Western civilization, to overcome such impulses and act as tolerant as they did was remarkable.

Your post reminded me of the Norm tweet. The retweet was the first thing that came up in a google search for the tweet itself. Go ahead and ignore the rest of the caption. I have no clue who Ari Hoffman is, and couldn't care less. Your gotcha is completely empty.

I doubt Blue feels unwelcome. The Hamas supporters are keen to remind everyone that most of the thread supports Israel and baby killing and whatever else he’s being accused of.

“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.” -Donald J. Trump

What do you call it when you routinely make antisemitic statements, but, like, you do so while saying that stuff they're doing is actually good? And there's the bonus here of him doing it while directly being racist towards another group!

I don't think I've ever asserted anything about Amazonian tribes in my life, and I certainly haven't in this thread. Good job on confusing my words with what somebody else may or may not have said and then coming on here to dunk on their ghost! You are very smart and a TERRIFIC internet poster.

in their beds. on an IDF base.

or even in tanks.

and if you are referring to Vivian Silver, then just lol.

The biggest problem with Trump is that he is legitimately funny. And being funny lets you get away with a lot more. As a counter example, Musk is not particularly funny, and the act falls flat in comparison.

Also, it isn't 2020 anymore. You are going to have to update your software. Normies aren't letting faux moral outrage culture warriors tell us what jokes we are and aren't allowed to tell anymore.

Of course the end result is that things are going to invariably go too far, and English language social media is starting to resemble Arab language social media, where every other post is antisemetic and praising Hitler. But it is what it is. That is what happens when the pendulum goes too far one way, the rebound goes too far too.

That may be true, but more importantly, let's talk about how the WORLD views Israel these days. Do you accept the confirmed reality that support for Israel has PLUMMETED across the planet? If so, do you think it's because a few billion of your fellow humans are just too damn wrapped up in Jew-hatred, or might there be another explanation?

You'd think this hideous crime would move even the Zionists on this board, but it won't. The reason is simple. You don't see Palestinians as human beings.

Chris Hedges:

https://scheerpost.com/2025/04/13/israel-is-about-to-empty-gaza/

scheerpost

Israel is About to Empty Gaza

Exactly what the Israel apologists itt said wouldn't happen.

I bet they don't make that mistake again this time. Israel will do anything and that's clear even to the baby killers ITT.

Most of whom, very strangely, don't seem to be posting here any more.

I dont know if I would qualify as an "Israel apologist," but Israel eventually losing its patience with "The Resistance" and deciding they were going to play to win, has always been a likely outcome, as this conflict has dragged on and both sides become more and more entrenched and belligerent.

Unfortunately, the Western world, Ummah and Palestinian leadership itself has done the people a tremendous disservice by providing support to the 80 year Resistance to destroy Israel, and convincing the people to go along, instead of accommodating more realistic measures.

I was watching a recent English language interview with a Palestinian in Gaza (he had a strong Arab accent, but the individual was clearly fluent in English) where the individual in question said he was inspired by Algeria, and stated if they kept up the faith and resistance long enough the Jews would eventually give up like the French, and Israel would be reconquered. And he stated that the majority of Palestinians share this view.

The rest of the world facilitating such a completely unrealistic, deranged worldview has been extremely disastrous for the Palestinian people. The Jews aren't going anywhere and aren't going to just endure an indefinite conflict until they are worn down and defeated. At some point they will decide it is time to play to win.

Is this the time? I really dont know. But if not now, then eventually; unless the world realizes their giant mistake and radically changes the incentive structures, especially as it pertains towards their support of The Resistance.

Israel media is reporting Hamas is close to accepting a deal of 21 Israeli hostages (11 still alive) for 3,000 Palestinian prisoners. It is widely believed this deal is only possible because of the tremendous military toll Israel's current actions in Gaza are taking on Hamas.

I know the prevailing narrative is that violence will get Israel nowhere, and that it can only solve its problems politically. Unfortunately, the reality for the last 80 years has been that Israel's neighbors have shown nothing but contempt for peaceful remediation, viewing it as a weakness to be exploited mercilessly; and violence is the only action that has gotten Israel anywhere. Even the former enemies Israel has reached detente with (Jordan and Egypt) this only happened following Israel's military successes.

It should also be noted that these same nations (and others) that have forsworn violence against Israel have received none in return. Demonstrating the problem isn't Israel. If it was, they would have betrayed their treaties with Egypt and Jordan and would still be belligerent with them.

Who says that? I've never heard that. Israel has been expanding it's ethnic cleansing operation successfully for many decades. That the violence is working is acknowledged on all sides. It's just that some of us have a problem with Israel's violence-first politics and the fascist philosophy they have crafted to support an ethno-supremacist state. The same problem people had with the Nazis they now have with the Israelis.

FYP

Maybe that's because Israel isn't colonizing their lands and bringing all the concomitant rape, torture, murder and total dehumanization to their lands.

I guess you just somehow strip your mind of all Israel's crimes against humanity and start there every time you ponder the subject? You talk like Israel is just sitting there minding it's business and these insane people are trying to kill them. You just don't get that this is all revolving around a colonization and ethnic cleansing project perpetrated by Israel. It's like you were looking at a Jewish resistance fighter during WWII and were like "why is that dirty Jewish guy so violently attacking German soldiers what an ahole!". I guess you perpetually represent total blindness of the context of the conflict just to be max annoying? I really don't get what you think you are doing when you ignore the root cause of everything we are seeing out of Israel, specifically their actions and policies.

Israel literally betrayed their treaty with Egypt just last year!

fixed your post

I'm just kidding, I know that even tens of thousands of dead randos moves you Clash Of Civilizations psychos not an inch.

Ship them to Africa? That would mirror the original plans Nazi Germany had for the Jews, to ship them to Madagascar. Why not follow the entire Nazi playbook at this point if you are Israel, having decided to be racial supremacist fascists, and having zero accountability other than the Houthis making some shipping more difficult?

Of course we know how that plan ended up morphing for the German Jews.

How are you going to get them on the boats?

An even more pressing question is what would happen if Israel starts lining up Palestinians and shooting them in the head? Not just paramedics but everyone? In effect it's not much different than the mass killing they have already done. So what if they totally remove the thin excuse of "Hamas used the bathroom there once so the hospital had to be exploded".

I suspect they could do this and there wouldn't be any real opposition from Europe or America. I've seen enough of the cravenness and immorality of the West to think they would not try to stop it. They are all-in on Israel and if they haven't tried to stop them, and are actually providing the means for mass slaughter of civilians already, what would they do in response to mass shootings into line pits? The Western leadership has never shown the capacity to admit to being wrong in real time, only generations later. They will just say "if it weren't for Hamas..." and not even acknowledge the crime. We can all do this thought experiment and I think we all get the same results.

And what would anyone here do? What would you, do Bill? Keep voting for the Dems, right? (and maybe buy a gun I suppose).

Some of the bravest people are getting murdered by the most cowardly

That is very well put.

Glory to the Martyrs

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, Allah willing

You're saying that about people trying to get water.

Your point is always "when the Palestinians finally accept their fate and stop trying to ______, they will be able to move on and live better lives."

Apparently the blank includes getting water.

I just repeated what the majority of Palestinians believe. Obviously I dont believe this, but that doesn't mean they dont.

You on the other hand agreed that Israel Jews are the most cowardly people.