Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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the only hyperbole is acting like this wasnt the intentional mass murder of civilian paramedics bc the IDF enjoys doing it.
and I do like how you think its ok to execute Hamas fighters.
It should also be noted that these same nations (and others) that have forsworn violence against Israel have received none in return. Demonstrating the problem isn't Israel. If it was, they would have betrayed their treaties with Egypt and Jordan and would still be belligerent with them.
Displaced 750,000 people
Killed god knows how many
Influenced USA to start wars in Iraq Lybia Syria just to name a few which resulted in over 1m dead
Continuous expansion of illegal settlements outside of their own borders over a period of decades
Have jailed without charge or trial more than 100,000 children over the last 25 years
I could go on, but they’re friendly with Egypt so it’s obvious that Israel is definitely “not the problem”
So Israeli troops ambushed a convoy with tremendous firepower, shot most of the men multiple times, and the fact some of the shots were in the head indicates it was an "execution" to Victor. And of course the initial "executed with hands tied" tweets circulating on social media was just completely made up.
It is just bad faith all around.
And of course the initial "executed with hands tied" tweets circulating on social media was just completely made up.
no. multiple eyewitnesses saw the evidence or heard the IDF soldiers discuss restraints during a phone call.
they ambushed innocent, peaceful, paramedics and executed them and then lied about it. thats what Israel and Zionism exemplifies. mass murder and lies.
no. multiple eyewitnesses saw the evidence or heard the IDF soldiers discuss restraints during a phone call.
they ambushed innocent, peaceful, paramedics and executed them and then lied about it. thats what Israel and Zionism exemplifies. mass murder and lies.
No. That is literal made up propaganda. One paramedic survived the attack and they actually let him go after vetting him.
And then they called the UN and told them what happened (apparently altering the story to make their actions look better).
Bullshit propaganda to dehumanize (((Israelis))) doesn’t make your arguments better. If anything it completely undercuts your arguments.
If the Hamas supporters just stuck to the truth their arguments would be a lot more effective IMO, instead of the ridiculous dehumanizing propaganda that is obviously not true and discredits the entire enterprise.
Without extreme proof it was justified, ambushing a medical convoy is bad enough. Even if there was multiple Hamas members on the convoy (as I am guessing there were, as Hamas is embedded in all the humanitarian operations in Gaza) most people would probably argue attacking it like they did wasn’t justified.
The nonsense execution narrative only serves to discredit your argument.
Hey it's actually not okay to kill medical personnel even if you aren't popping them execution-style.
Hey it's actually not okay to kill medical personnel even if you aren't popping them execution-style.
omg stop dehumanizing Israelis!!!
At least one medic survived, was taken into custody, and it is not clear if he has been released or not.
Some reports say a medic was released, and others say one is still in custody. And it isn’t even obvious if they are talking about the same person.
It is wild how you guys spend so much time on this stuff, but are completely ignorant of such basic reported facts.
You guys are really arguing IDf soldiers ties up and executed paramedics, and then took a witness into custody , called the whole thing into the UN, didn’t even bother to check for and hide any evidence (such as cell phones), and then released the witness?
Also, you guys realize there was audio of the entire incident from a recovered phone. And there is no indication anyone was tied up and executed, which would have taken place several minutes after the firefight.
The worst charge from the audio evidence is that the troops kept firing after they had gotten close (as close as 12M) and it should have been obvious it was an ambulance convoy (it was 4 am, so it was obviously dark still, but at some point it should have been obvious even then).
Hey it's actually not okay to kill medical personnel even if you aren't popping them execution-style.
They is kind of the gist of the BBC and Guardian coverage.
Al Jazeera on the other hand is “reporting” the executions. But they are nothing but bad faith state controlled propaganda, and should be given zero credence without outside corroboration form more honest actors.
you can read the account of the surviving medic here. unsurprisingly, it is far different than yours.
Hey it's actually not okay to kill medical personnel even if you aren't popping them execution-style.
right but they executed some of them
IIRC, historical battlefield stats indicate there are usually around twice as many wounded as dead. So it is obvious the IDF executed medics.
Not that there's an important difference between mowing them all down from a distance versus close range executions. A mighty strange straw to grasp.
"Sure, they killed a bunch of medics, but at least they didn't execute anyone" is like the counterpart to the "Sure, Hamas killed a bunch of people, but they didn't rape anyone" bit.
the only hyperbole is acting like this wasnt the intentional mass murder of civilian paramedics bc the IDF enjoys doing it.
Wow you said that with no sense of irony at all didn't you?
and I do like how you think its ok to execute Hamas fighters.
A) I never said I thought that.
B) Engaging with a "Hamas fighter" during a war isn't execution. If a Hamas fighter surrendered and disarmed and after that was forced to the ground and shot, that would be an execution. Otherwise nah.
"Sure, they killed a bunch of medics, but at least they didn't execute anyone" is like the counterpart to the "Sure, Hamas killed a bunch of people, but they didn't rape anyone" bit.
A) You're disregarding the context of war and the possibility at least, that it may have been mistaken identity, which is typical of your usual bad faith schtick.
B) You claimed ages ago that the cops engaged in the "summary execution" of Breonna Taylor in her bed, when she was shot in the hallway during crossfire. So you'd give ole vic a run for his rubles in the hyperbole stakes, meaning I don;t need to entertain your opinion.
"Sure, they killed a bunch of medics, but at least they didn't execute anyone" is like the counterpart to the "Sure, Hamas killed a bunch of people, but they didn't rape anyone" bit.
Hamas didnt rape anyone. and it was used as atrocity propaganda to support a genocide. when you people repeat the lie or downplay it, like you yourself continually does, then those people are doing their part to support genocide.
A) You're disregarding the context of war and the possibility at least, that it may have been mistaken identity, which is typical of your usual bad faith schtick.
The context is the IDF killing clearly-marked medical staff and lying about it afterwards. So, no.
B) You claimed ages ago that the cops engaged in the "summary execution" of Breonna Taylor in her bed, when she was shot in the hallway during crossfire. So you'd give ole vic a run for his rubles in the hyperbole stakes, meaning I don;t need to entertain your opinion.
Are there any civilian murders you don't immediately stan for?
lol, amazing. You're absolutely incapable of understanding the point, no matter how slowly it's spelled out to you.
IIRC, historical battlefield stats indicate there are usually around twice as many wounded as dead. So it is obvious the IDF executed medics.
Not that there's an important difference between mowing them all down from a distance versus close range executions. A mighty strange straw to grasp.
It was an ambush, not a “historical battlefield”.
And 30 minutes ago you apparently didn’t even realize there was a survivor they let go. So it kind of does matter when we can’t even get basic facts right because the propaganda you follow is so dishonest.
lol, amazing. You're absolutely incapable of understanding the point, no matter how slowly it's spelled out to you.
the point is that you shouldnt believe anything Israel says.
In other news Israel just cancelled a $2 billion light rail infrastructure project with China, and is generally pulling away from China.
Obviously it goes without saying that there are costs to much of the world viewing you as a pariah and being completely dependent on the Trump administration.
Dozens of members of the largest body representing Jews in the UK have condemned Israel's government for the "heartbreaking war" in Gaza.
In an open letter published in the Financial Times, external, 36 members of the Board of Deputies of British Jews said they "cannot turn a blind eye or remain silent" at the "renewed loss of life and livelihoods" as a result of Israel's renewed offensive in Gaza.
The letter is the first show of opposition to the Gaza war by some members of the board - made up of more than 300 deputies.
B) You claimed ages ago that the cops engaged in the "summary execution" of Breonna Taylor in her bed, when she was shot in the hallway during crossfire. So you'd give ole vic a run for his rubles in the hyperbole stakes, meaning I don;t need to entertain your opinion.
Shortly after midnight on March 13, 2020, Louisville police dressed in plain clothes knocked on Taylor's door before forcing entry using a battering ram.
Walker fired his gun in the direction of the officers, in what he said was a warning shot.[25][26] The shot hit Mattingly in the leg,[27] and the officers fired 32 shots in return.[23][28][29] Walker was unhurt...
Whether it's LPD or IDF, you LOVE it when armed maniacs break into places and commit very disproportionate and also very incompetently performed acts of violence (32 shots, no hit of the target, some real police magic there)
lol, amazing. You're absolutely incapable of understanding the point, no matter how slowly it's spelled out to you.
Or maybe you're not all that great at drawing analogies or parallels. Nobody said "sure Hamas killed people but they didn't rape anyone". It wasn't a bit performed anywhere, whereas people defending Israel are bickering over the precise method of how the medics were murdered. Yes, in both cases you have narrow range events with varying degrees of heinousness, but you tried to exploit the analogy beyond that and it just didn't work.
