Israel/Palestine thread

Isn’t this what you guys claim is already going on? So why would Hamas having weapons make a difference to that? At least keep your blood libel consistent.

Not exactly. The Tony Blair Institute has developed a kind of Legoland proposal for Gaza's post-war reconstruction involving mainly Arab inward investment, in consultation with the UAE and, lately, the PA, and this was discussed in the online meeting. It's all a bit moot because firstly it doesn't address the question of who will be allowed to live there (which is kind of essential in terms of the recent history of the region) and secondly it assumes an end to the war. Trump wants an end to the war by Christmas (of all the doom-laden notions), but Netanyahu will have to face the courts if the war ends, and his far-right cabinet colleagues will bring down the government and consign him to the same fate if the war ends with any Gazans still living, so the whole reconstruction project is notional for the time being.

Sounds kind of like the beginning stages of what could lead up to Gaza having resorts and malls.

If Blair has anything to do with it believe me, that's exactly what it is, with a few more millions in the bank for him, the evil mfer.

He started out life in a failed prog rock band, then as a pseudo-hippy entrepeneur gig promoter trying to set himself up as the next Harvey Goldsmith, and failed, then decided that politics was a good arena to screw people out of loads of money for himself.

57 will doubtless disagree with this because he's been fully aboard the Blair bandwagon since the early days.

From being one massive starvation-haunted bombsite, that could only be a large step up, but it's irrelevant as it discounts the question of who lives there, who rules and who benefits. It just allows Trump to keep thinking he has this Cunning Plan, which means the Israelis can keep playing him.

This is all nonsense.

The day Hamas gives back the hostages and lays down its arms the war is over. Even if Netanyahu wanted to keep fighting at this point, he couldn't. Pretty much the entire world, including most of the population of Israel, would oppose him. Hamas are literally the only thing standing in the way of peace and rebuilding Gaza.

And whenever this happens, there is still going to be millions of Palestinians living there, with a rapidly growing population, reproducing at one of the highest rates in the world. And they will be the ones moving into a demilitarized, rebuilt city.

“Adam Friedland Rips AIPAC lefty Ritchie Torres To Shreds During Israel Debate”

Adam Friedland's recent interview with Democrat Ritchie Torres exposes how pro-Israel political figures use and manipulate Jewish identity and historical trauma to justify violence and maintain power. Their conversation reveals how arguments for genocide are normalized, while lived experiences of trauma and disillusionment are dismissed as political inconvenience.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EWZs4HRIRI...

Here we can see the long arm of AIPAC , and Israeli lobbying. They have plenty of US politicians bought and paid for. They take them on trips to Israel including quite a few Democrats. They wooo them and give them money for campaigns.

Friedland a Jew and someone who supports the idea of a Jewish state has experience living in Israel, where he saw how settlers live first class lives, compared to the poverty and second class citizens that are Palestinians. He related what he saw with his own eyes ….Palestinians living in squalor, Israeli settlers having more rights ie the ability to carry machine guns, Palestinians having many lesser rights, less access to different roads, lower healthcare standards…

But we even see it in this thread at times from not all but a few of the pro Israel people. They talk about Muslims basically like how a slave owner would talk about a slave. Note how they refer to the words Allah, Islam, or Muslims with negative connotations. No different from people who associate Jews/Judaism with greed, blood lust, or Violence.

its really weird that he saw this oppression and criminality, and cried over it (literally) in the interview and yet he still supports a Jewish Supremacist state.

and to be clear, I dont doubt his sincerity. I dont doubt his tears. I am just pointing out how inherently Jews are considered superior to Palestinians bc its framed as some sort of noblesse oblige for the Israeli Jews to grant rights to the people they have oppressed for decades and who their ideology is predicated on exterminating.

Pretty sure he supports a Jewish State that doesn't oppress Palestinians but I admit I've only seen him talk briefly a couple times before these latest clips

Yes. Clearly you have recognized the main problem in the Middle East and North Africa. That everyone else is persecuting and mistreating Muslims. Shame on those Jews, Kurds, Coptics, Druze, Yazidi's and Christians; who just keep persecuting Muslims, who just want to live in peace and harmony and brotherhood.

right I mean, I support a USA that is communist. it probably has a better chance of happening than Israel stops stealing land and oppressing natives.

Well, luckily you have Victor to give you a good faith representation of what Friesland thinks and believes.

Your tactic here of saying random stuff creating arguments that don’t exist is a big-time failure for the Hasbara. Part of why they’re losing the world

I mean, liberal Zionism is not really a hard concept to understand and recognize.

“Oh shutup and concentrate on Africa”

No wonder the shills for the Netanyahu administration are severely disapproved of around the world.

Given the people you promote on this forum (including the person you tweeted on this page), seems like you should be viewing this as a positive development. Given your alignment with people who profess Jews are the problem, and everyone else needs to clean house and get rid of them, you should view Israel and Jews losing the world as a positive development.

I promote people like Tucker Carlson, who respects Jewish people , openly says he has no problem with Israel , has Jewish guest on his show all the times. Collabs with Jews. Bc he is actually an honest guy and one of the best journalists around… he is criticizing foreign policy, and the many Democrats and Republicans bought and paid for by AIPAC…

Your strategy is weird, which is make up the view that somebody’s anti Jewish . No evidence to back it up. Complain itt about wars in other parts of the world as a means to distract from the atrocities in Gaza…. btw we saw the data. The war in Gaza is one of if not the worst modern war in recent history. All you have to do is look at the how average lifespan in Gaza has plummeted…. It’s lower than during the height of the civil war in Syria.

And you apparently stick up for people like Ben Shapiro. An extremist anti Muslim guy. Who is actually probably even on a worse level compared to Nick Fuentes.

And certainly I hope that the Hasbara loses. I hope any supremacist in Israel loses. They’re awful people. Not good for the world. The hope is that a new administration takes hold in Israel one that is about common sense one that does not dehumanize Palestinians. One that does not make these ridiculous claims about Islam which is no different than people who make up ridiculous claims about Judaism.

do you understand the -35% depicted is impossible to be true? do you understand why? that's the equivalent of covid models telling you 100M people would have died in the USA

Turkey has decided to cut off all economic and trade relations with Israel and is closing its skies to its planes.

when we say leftists stand with Hamas because doing that is a proxy of anticapitalism this is the confirmation.

Is this the German branch of queers for Palestine?

This is in response to Netanyahu recently publicly recognizing the Armenian genocide in a podcast. Which he didn't even really do. I am paraphrasing, but basically the host asked him why he has never recognized it, and he said something along the lines of, "we are talking about it now, so I just did."

And at this point it isn't even clear if this is real or fake. Israel has stated it has received no official word from the Erdogan govt on this, and the few Israeli flights that travel through Turkish airspace are proceeding as usual.

One of the many ironies of this whole ordeal is that Turkey is pretty much everything Israel is falsely accused of being. But no one cares, because no one actually cares about brown (or white) people thousands of miles away being persecuted and killed. All the outrage has ulterior motives and always has.