Israel/Palestine thread

Doesn’t seem like anyone is talking about it. Per usual, Victor and his cronies are living in their own separate reality.

it was from Israeli telegram channels. there is reportedly a gag order on it right now.

Israel also reported multiple "security incidents" when they tried to invade Zeitoun and were repulsed. I think they admitted to 2 dead and like a dozen injured. Hamas says they killed more. other than a cryptic image posted, Hamas has not said anything about the potentially captured.

you can just go to Hebrew sources or DropSite or Al Jazeera.

Wouldn't say that exactly. Israel has F-35s (as the first export customer, receiving aircraft very early on under high priority from LRIP -- Low-Rate Initial Production -- and exceptionally allowed to fit indigenous electronic-warfare suites, with additional preference for immediate integration of a range of US and indigenous weapons; Israel now has 45 of the things, where the UK, the only Tier 1 partner in the production programme -- Israel not being a partner at all -- still has only 37, the Americans very occasionally presenting one like a Faberge egg when they feel like it). Turkey, despite being a NATO member, was kicked off the F-35 programme by the US in 2019 because they'd bought Russian S-400 air-defence missiles, which the Americans claimed were a threat to F-35s. Besides not getting any F-35s, Turkey lost the lucrative contract to run the programme's Europe-and-Near-East servicing and spares-production centre. The country is also subject to US defence sanctions under CAATSA (the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act), which means they can't even buy the new F-16s they want and are looking at a Eurofighter Typhoon purchase (20 old RAF Tranche 1s, 20 new-build). They're still trying to revive their F-35 bid and the Israelis are urging the Americans to decline. The Americans, of course, always do what Israel wants, for a mix of sometimes fairly odd political reasons, and Turkey just isn't a favourite in that way, despite being an actual US ally by treaty, which Israel isn't. And this cold-shouldering of Turkey, Israel's next regional power-rival after Iran, is very much a thing that Israel and its Washington lobbyists want.

Ironically, Israel's recent campaign against Iran showed that the vaunted S-400 may not be the danger to F-35s that the Americans claimed, since the F-35 armed with HARM missiles can provenly lock on to the S-400's radar from well beyond the range at which the S-400 can detect the fighter. The Americans probably had the technical data to show this at the time of Turkey's expulsion from the programme. It was really just that buying new Russian equipment was arguably incompatible with NATO membership.

This doesn't relate to Turkey's problematic history, because that's of no interest to Americans, but it does indicate that Turkey does not enjoy the unconditional favour and privilege in Washington that Israel does.

His statement was that no one cares about Turkey’s problematic history and current occupation of North Cyprus. Nothing of what you just wrote, as interesting as the trivia is, contradicts that.

If anything it shows that if Turkey didn’t flirt with Russia they would likely be a much bigger partner than they are today.

also there are rumors Israel killed Abu Obeida, the Hamas spokesperson. Israel did kill a bunch of politicians and civil servants in Yemen, many of which were not even Houthi including the Prime Minister (who was not Houthi either btw).

yesterday they stole a bunch more land in Syria and took hostage dozens of villagers hostage who did not want to acquiesce to second class status behind the Jewish ubermensch.

and ofc they are relentlessly murdering civilians in Gaza city since the failed invasion. the bloodlust of the Supremacist state knows no bounds. they will never be sated.

I mean, you and Victor agreeing on something with zero evidence to back it up doesn't make it true. Probably the opposite.

So you don't think that Twitter was talking about potential captives taken by Hamas last night? Do you want to make a bet on it? I already posted a screenshot of a pro-Israel source.

North Cyprus is a bit of a Zionist 'squirrel'. The conflict occurred under different circumstances and the population exchange was actually signed off by the UN. American policymakers are not bothered, but then they're not bothered by anything Israel does in the West Bank either, despite the obvious illegality.

The most likely outcome is that the IDF will use more force, preferring armour, artillery and air power over infantry. This may be uglier than it sounds.

Did you look at the quote I was responding to? I was clearly challenging the implication made by Pompeous this was a false flag operation to get Israeli soldiers killed to "Wag the Dog," which there is no evidence of.

And the fact whatever happened Israel has been sitting on it for over a day without saying anything, certainly doesn't support that interpretation.

Also, if you are paying any honest attention to Israel domestic politics, getting soldiers killed in pursuit of extremely dubious ends (occupying Gaza city) is pretty much the worst thing that can happen for Netanyahu right now. Which probably explains the silence on it.

It is one thing if Netanyahu can "rally the people" for something he can portray as necessity. But pretty much no one in Israel (or anywhere else) thinks the current campaign to go into Gaza City is necessary, or even prudent.

Nobody called it a false flag. It was most likely a Hannibal murder.

Yes they always respond with massacring civilians.

The UN's official position is North Cyprus is an invalid govt, and Turkey is illegally occupying the territory.

And even though the Trump administration doesn't care in either case; most of the rest of the world is outraged by the West Bank and indifferent about North Cyprus.

Of course the main crux of the issue is that Cypriots (and more generally Greeks) have no support to run a counterproductive "resistance" against Turkey. They are basically told to make the best of things and move on with their lives. Which they have done.

And Palestinians have way too much support to "resist" to no positive end. If the world had the same pragmatism with Israel that it does towards Turkey; the conflict would have ended decades ago and everyone would have moved on.

Personally I agree that the hypocrisy argument is pretty boring, but I would just point out that Israel and Turkey are both US allies, yes, but also Turkey’s actions have been received differently by the international community than Israel’s, which I think is the point.

I also disagree that US policymakers are not bothered by what happens in the West Bank. Most of the major attempts to secure a Palestinian state have gone through the US and the PA. The illegal settlements were sanctioned under Biden. Bush and Clinton both attempted to negotiate with both sides. And of course we have sent lots of money to Palestine.

The sad truth is that the negotiators for Palestine have always had red lines and as much as people want to blame Israel for every breakdown in negotiations, when you’re the party with all the leverage usually the other side has to have concessions for any negotiation to work. Especially when the red lines of both parties are in contradiction to one another (no right of return as a red line vs right of return as a red line)

N Cyprus has been the big concession we gave Turkey in exchange to a real , credible commitment to NATO goals. Life is often complicated. Turkey position is crucial, and they also have the most numerous armed forces outside the USA (in the west). We struck a compromise, a bitter one for sure, greece played ball on it more or less at the end.

But it's not a new problem

Why bring my name up you ignore most of the points I made. Which dispel your narrative. Anyways even on crossfire Tucker represented the right wing View. He was a big supporter of the war on Iraq in 2003 and later came to regret that as a lot of people did. It’s called honesty and looking back at things and realizing that at times you get it wrong.

Happens a lot politicians changed political parties. View evolve. Countries changed diplomatic views of other countries. It’s not new and you have a nothing burger as always.

Tucker lost a $20 million a year job with Fox News because he spoke his mind. He was not afraid to voice different opinions from what the higher ups at Fox wanted.

You could never actually show Carlson saying something negative about Judaism. Unlike you and people like Ben Shapiro when it comes to a negative view of Islam. It’s an amazingly mind-boggling hypocrisy. Like if you were critical of a Muslim majority government, it’s not the same thing as being anti-Muslim. There is no logic to what you and the few other people on this thread are claiming when it comes to this view that Carlson is antisemitic.

Oh well it doesn’t matter as most of the world recognizes the injustice committed by the IDF. This is thanks to the positive aspects of cell phones and alternative media. Something that did not exist in the previous conflict in the holy land. The jig is up, pal.

tucker lost a 20m/year job because he defamed a company which cost his employer something like 700m.

he didn't get cut because of his political opinions

so a bunch of ******ed radical leftists just left the port of Genoa in the so called "global sumud flotilla" to reach gaza.

Ofc they chanted marxist songs with the neo-elect marxist Genoa mayor before leaving.

It's like a collection of the most insufferable faces from the most insufferable left, ofc with Greta "towering" above the rest.

I hope this time Israel will do the right thing and if they do illegally enter Israel territorial waters, Israel starts to fire.

what Israeli waters? they are sailing to Gaza. oh right, I forgot you think that the Supremacists own the whole world.

Gaza is not a political entity and therefore there is a dispute over who has territorial rights to the waters around Gaza. You claim that Israel is occupying Gaza, so you are in effect admitting to Israel control over the territorial waters as well, and therefore Israel is entitled to act against anyone who enters there without permission.

In any case, a state is not limited to its territorial waters, and it is also entitled to attack enemy ships in international waters, in order to defend itself against infringements of sovereignty, such as unauthorized entry of enemy ships into its waters.

They will receive food and drink and warm treatment. They will also receive plane tickets at Israel's expense back to where they came from.

the mantra of Jewish Supremacists

so long as they are white westerners

But you are only against Israelis, not against Jews.