Israel/Palestine thread

i haven't discussed any antisemitic conspiracy theories with anyone irl

Haaretz being part of an anti-semitic conspiracy is a scorching hot take.

Man the IDF is hardcore. They obviously don’t care about their own citizens.

You think they care one bit about Palestinian civilians? They are a great example of a group that couldn’t care less

the article going round says that there was some friendly fire incidents, which i think is highly likely given that hamas turned the concert and surrounding area into a warzone

the antisemitic conspiracy part comes in when people claim that a significant portion of the civilians killed on ocy 7 was due to the IDF, when it was in fact due to hamas terrorists carrying out their orders to murder in an indiscriminate fashion

it's done to promote the idea that the IDF are uniquely bloodthirsty/evil, and that the jews are by extension uniquely bloodthirsty and evil

I agree , does sound antisemitic to me

Did you actually read the tweet? During a battle when responding in real time to a surprise attack, I doubt most people would construe a military command willing to sacrifice some of their own soldiers to meet some tactical objective as "murder."

That being said, I am pretty confident if Gaza was an open society with a free press willing and able to accurately report on and criticize Hamas (it certainly is not); the regular reports of moral transgressions by Hamas would be magnitudes worse than the IDF. Even with no honest press to speak of to report on it, it is pretty clear this is the case.

Back to the old reliable any criticism of Israel or its institutions is antisemitic, I see.

the fact is that the killing and raping of israeli civilians on oct 7 was carried out by hamas terrorists, not by the IDF, and no amount of forum posts will make it otherwise

damn, he spittin

I dunno is killing nearly 200k people uniquely evil?

well it isn't, because it's been illegally occupied by the iof for decades

true, it is not, because the iof has spent the last 9 months assassinating every journalist they can find, and their families. and all the infrastructure has been destroyed

American volunteer doctor couldnt even bring a few suitcases of supplies

The IDF has been doing a wonderful job. This is evidenced by the fact that there has not been another Oct 7 style invasion nor any additional hostages taken.

Glassing the entire ME could also prevent another hostage take but that also wouldnt prove evidence of a wonderful job.

Kinda weird to make that post a few hours after one of the most respected Western medical outlets put the death numbers at between 112188 and 560940.

Also, your definition isn't even accurate. The point of all of this bloodshed is, per the Israeli govt itself, to destroy Hamas and bring back the hostages. Neither of those things are rotely close to reality.

and something to realize with the Lancet calculation, is that the ~38k number they use is not accurate. they are extrapolating off of a number that is already a woeful undercount. is that factored into their empirical calculations? I tend to think that with 10s of thousands of people buried alive or blown to bits and the stringent requirements for the KHamas health ministry to report that their numbers are already necessarily lesser than the conflicts they are using as a guideline.

anyway, once again I get tired of being correct. its been known since Feb the numbers were a massive undercount. this was laughed at by certain people in this thread who have since run away it seems.

That fact that they are conducting this war without resorting to that is even more commendable.

bro what. they take hostages all the time. in fact, they just tortured one to death a few days ago bc they wanted his son to turn himself in. on the other hand, Hamas literally fed the dog of a hostage.

I read the article. It is very shoddy academic science. If that was an undergraduate public health assignment, I would give it a very low grade.

There is no "empirical calculations" at all. They are estimating "indirect deaths" without even bothering to define what an indirect death is, how it is determined, or providing any basis for their estimation range. And this is on top of using Hamas made up numbers as a "direct death" baseline to guesstimate "indirect deaths."

I knew the Lancet had been politically captured and the quality of its science had suffered horribly as a result during the Covid reporting. But this political propaganda masquerading as science is a new low.

Hamas's numbers are a massive undercount bc they have strict reporting requirements and there are very few places left that can count the dead.

are these magic bombs that dont kill people? what do you think the kill rate is per bomb? like half a person?

I can't believe you people are still in here spouting this nonsense.

Also they want to make sure nobody from Gaza can ever conduct an October 7th like attack again. This part has already been a 100% success. In fact, they are almost done with operations in Gaza and will be turning their attention to the north.

But we know because of whom.

It could have been a lot less deaths if Hamas gave back the hostages. This is what necessitates the wrecking of Gaza. "Oh you all are gonna hide them in tunnels? Well, here we go".

"Rape is not resistance".