Israel/Palestine thread
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Hamas's numbers are a massive undercount bc they have strict reporting requirements and there are very few places left that can count the dead.
are these magic bombs that dont kill people? what do you think the kill rate is per bomb? like half a person?
If your opinion is Hamas numbers are a massive undercount that is fine. But citing that paper as "empirical evidence" to support your opinion is farcical.
I actually am really curious about the procedure for how a "scientific" manuscript makes its way into the Lancet. I assume they have an editorial process. That paper really went through three direct contributors and multiple editors with no one bothering to suggest they should define what an indirect death is, how it is determined/measured, and cite whatever evidence they used to come to their range? I even clicked on the #9 link, with the presumption it would answer one or all of these questions, and instead it is a 300 page PDF on drug crime, where I have no clue how it is relevant at all.
I wouldn't let a 10 year old get away with such a poor job of citing. How in the world does something like that get published in Lancet? It really boggles the mind.
You think they would have come up with a different strategy by now. They need to let go of their egos and as you mentioned take the L. They continue to create a hell for their children to grow up in. It's time to realize that resistance is futile. It's only gonna get worse and worse for them.
Also they want to make sure nobody from Gaza can ever conduct an October 7th like attack again. This part has already been a 100% success. In fact, they are almost done with operations in Gaza and will be turning their attention to the north.
Well, I think there are various levels of intent.
At the primary level there is a clear intent to severely weaken Hamas (and other militants, including civilian) military capabilities against Israel, now and in the future. And there is clearly a desire to find hostages, although no realistic plan to do so.
On a deeper level though, it is a clear message to Hamas and their allies that Israel is changing the incentive paradigm, and signaling that attacking Israel, including kidnapping Israelis, is going to endanger so severe a response that no rationale actor should attempt it moving forward; unless their actual goal is a full scale war.
Well, I think there are various levels of intent.
At the primary level there is a clear intent to severely weaken Hamas (and other militants, including civilian) military capabilities against Israel, now and in the future. And there is clearly a desire to find hostages, although no realistic plan to do so.
On a deeper level though, it is a clear message to Hamas and their allies that Israel is changing the incentive paradigm, and signaling that attacking Israel, including kidnapping Israelis,
For many years Israel fought with one hand behind their back due to world pressure. Now Israel has decided that enough is enough. A rational nation won't mess with Israel. Islamists aren't so rational.
Minimising civilian casualties - the brave boys and girls of the IDF, fearless in the face of hostility
Should we start posting pictures of little kids who were killed on Oct 7th? What's the point of posting this picture other than being overly dramatic. We know people are dying. How about doing a little protest against Hamas? How about demand they return the hostages and surrender?
That would stop the deaths don't you think?
For many years Israel fought with one hand behind their back due to world pressure. Now Israel has decided that enough is enough. A rational nation won't mess with Israel. Islamists aren't so rational.
We will see how rationale Hamas is moving forward. The truth is the world has been rewarding them for decades for being brutal and violent (both towards Israel and the Palestinian people); so their actions were very rationale.
Most of the world it seems would have preferred to keep that status quo, even after 10/7, but Israel went rogue and has unilaterally decided to make sure violence and terror isn't going to be such a +EV strategy moving forward; so we shall see how this alters behavior moving forward.
The IDF has been doing a wonderful job. This is evidenced by the fact that there has not been another Oct 7 style invasion nor any additional hostages taken.
Yep!
After this is over Gaza is going to be check point city for a long time. I hope an Arab leader steps up and moves Gaza away from victimhood and towards a future of accountability. This city could have been one of the most beautiful in the world.
Should we start posting pictures of little kids who were killed on Oct 7th? What's the point of posting this picture other than being overly dramatic. We know people are dying. How about doing a little protest against Hamas? How about demand they return the hostages and surrender?
That would stop the deaths don't you think?
Maybe because every news report is about the IDf murdering people?
Hamas has been rational given the incentives presented.
So has Hezbollah ever since Israel “overreacted” to a bunch of kidnappings by invading almost all the way to Beirut.
Some people refuse to come to terms with the fact that we’ve made Israel conduct many AB tests already on appeasement vs “overreaction”/occupation and the latter keeps producing better results, even for the Arabs involved.
It could have been a lot less deaths if Hamas gave back the hostages. This is what necessitates the wrecking of Gaza. "Oh you all are gonna hide them in tunnels? Well, here we go".
This is false. Netanyahu made it clear that they would continue the killing even after the detainees were released.
hearing reports that a whole heap of hamas terrorists are about to have a really bad day
are you talking about the carpet bombing and forced displacement of starving civilians in Gaza City? weird thing to celebrate...unless...
So I guess Lancet is Hamas now?
An equally large heap of kids too then I guess.
Good to eradicate those terrorists-in-waiting.
let's hope not. fingers crossed for dead terrorists only, but there's no doubt that hamas' practice of conducting their terrorist activities in and around schools and hospitals has led to significant numbers of civilian causalities in the past
hopefully they've had a rethink
why would they rethink - they don't care about innocent lives. Do we?
Israeli media reporting what we already know
they are just going around murdering people for funsies.
and sacrificing their own people for that great opportunity to do a bunch of murder.
