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The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa

30 January 2024 at 05:27 AM
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by rickroll m

you're falsely attributing identity politics to being a liberal cornerstone when instead it's a brand new fringe element that has emerged and hijacked the partyremove identity politics, and i'm 85/15 dem/gop split in terms of policymind you, my senior thesis was that w bush was a more liberal president than clinton (if you remove the party affiliation and just look purely at hi

I mean, you seem pretty fiscally conservative and socially somewhere in the centre I'd say, so my question is what specific positions you hold that makes you say you're a liberal? What does this 85% comprise?


by d2_e4 m

I mean, you seem pretty fiscally conservative and socially somewhere in the centre I'd say, so my question is what specific positions you hold that makes you say you're a liberal? What does this 85% comprise?

Clinton was the only one to balance the budget since WW2. Big fan of deportation of illegals as well. Big fan of working requirements for welfare. Didn't love the idea of gay marriage.

You see they moved dramatically to the left, and 90s liberals are now conservatives


by Luciom m

Clinton was the only one to balance the budget since WW2. Big fan of deportation of illegals as well. Big fan of working requirements for welfare. Didn't love the idea of gay marriage.

You see they moved dramatically to the left, and 90s liberals are now conservatives

So Clinton wasn't a liberal then, cool. I was asking about rickroll, though. I'm not saying it as a criticism, I don't think I'm a liberal either. I'm just wondering what makes him say that he is.


by d2_e4 m

So Clinton wasn't a liberal then, cool. I was asking about rickroll, though. I'm not saying it as a criticism, I don't think I'm a liberal either. I'm just wondering what makes him say that he is.

no, so Clinton was a liberal, it's most people on the left today which are to the left of liberals, and liberals now are the center/center right


by d2_e4 m

I mean, you seem pretty fiscally conservative and socially somewhere in the centre I'd say, so my question is what specific positions you hold that makes you say you're a liberal? What does this 85% comprise?

I won't speak for rickroll specifically, but the real answer for some people is some variation of "I like weed and it would be really convenient if I could buy it from a shop on my corner."


by Luciom m

no, so Clinton was a liberal, it's most people on the left today which are to the left of liberals, and liberals now are the center/center right

The zeitgeist moves, definitions change. Lincoln was a republican.


by d2_e4 m

The zeitgeist moves, definitions change. Lincoln was a republican.

The Republican Party was specifically founded as the abolitionist party and Lincoln was their first president. Hence the South was Democrat up to the 1960s and beyond because they hated Lincoln (and black people in the South, who probably didn't feel that way, generally didn't get the vote). Historically, there is nothing all that decent or liberal about Democrats.


by d2_e4 m

I mean, you seem pretty fiscally conservative and socially somewhere in the centre I'd say, so my question is what specific positions you hold that makes you say you're a liberal? What does this 85% comprise?

mainly, i think the government should mostly function as duct tape

make sure roads are in order, ensure electricity and water are functioning, and heavily regulate or even directly control anything that it required for basic living - this is priority #1 for me and in a GOP only government, all these would be turned over to private enterprises

ie nearly every facet of our healthcare system is operated by privately owned enterprises, even the the hospitals which are supposedly non-profit still charge roughly the same as their for-profit counterparts - so it's more of a tax loophole than anything else

look at europe and it's mostly publicly owned, and in the few cases where it's not majority publicly owned such as germany (but still to a much lower degree than the USA) they overcome that by regulating it to the point where it still serves more so in the public interest than their own

these are all supposedly democrat ideals where the GOP would privatize everything and let the market sort itself out

obviously the devil is in the details regarding how we would transition, even if i were in complete control right now after leading a successful junta, i would still go about enacting this reform slowly and methodically (would probably be too focused on eliminating potential rivals to power like rococo first few months anyway to ensure i could stay in power long enough to fulfill my goals)

but this, there's no way any sane person could look at a chart like this and assume we have a clean system that doesn't need to be amended



The most expensive and the worst outcomes.


by Luciom m

Clinton was the only one to balance the budget since WW2. Big fan of deportation of illegals as well. Big fan of working requirements for welfare. Didn't love the idea of gay marriage.

You see they moved dramatically to the left, and 90s liberals are now conservatives

When the idiots in Rome finally conceded that the Earth orbited the sun and not vice-versa, did they suddenly become more liberal for changing their position and opposing what it says in TheGoodBook? Or was it simply they became educated on the facts of the matter and their earlier positions were simply uninformed and wrong?


@Rickroll - so the thing that makes you a liberal is that you are anti privatising utilities and pro healthcare regulation?


by d2_e4 m

@Rickroll - so the thing that makes you a liberal is that you are anti privatising utilities and pro healthcare regulation?

it may seem like a small thing, but when it's the only thing there's not much else to weigh against it


by Brian James m

The most expensive and the worst outcomes.

Or number 11 but why let the facts stand in the way of a MAGGOT argument.

Characteristic Health care system performance ranking

Australia 1
Norway 2
Switzerland 3
Netherlands 4
Sweden 5
France 6
Germany 7
New Zealand 8
United Kingdom 9
Canada 10
United States 11


by rickroll m

it may seem like a small thing, but when it's the only thing there's not much else to weigh against it

Hmm. You sure it's not the weed thing lol?


i legit didn't understand whatever point he was trying to make with that post - i don't mean that as a dig on him nor the post, i honestly had no clue what he was trying to convey


by rickroll m

i legit didn't understand whatever point he was trying to make with that post - i don't mean that as a dig on him nor the post, i honestly had no clue what he was trying to convey

I think it was just that a lot of people who are pro weed legalisation call themselves liberals for that reason alone. That's how I understood it.


by d2_e4 m

I think it was just that a lot of people who are pro weed legalisation call themselves liberals for that reason alone. That's how I understood it.

i've never seen that in the real world


by rickroll m

i've never seen that in the real world

Looks a bit like oregano.


by d2_e4 m

Looks a bit like oregano.

lmfao


by d2_e4 m

I think it was just that a lot of people who are pro weed legalisation call themselves liberals for that reason alone. That's how I understood it.

Yes. I obviously wasn't entirely serious, but there are some people who run in poker circles whose political ideology begins and ends with wanting little or no restrictions on the things they personally enjoy.


by Rococo m

Yes. I obviously wasn't entirely serious, but there are some people who run in poker circles whose political ideology begins and ends with wanting little or no restrictions on the things they personally enjoy.

best people in society but they tend not to vote


by d2_e4 m

Looks a bit like oregano.

Caprese salad


by Luckbox Inc m

It's going to depend on whether or not they're a protected class.

"Conservatives are neurotic" is ok
"Azerbaijanis are rude" not ok.

What about "many Azerbaijanis are rude"?


by mongidig m

What about "many Azerbaijanis are rude"?

I think you should limit it to "some Azerbaijanis are rude but many are really nice people who probably run soup kitchens for the homeless" as it sounds nicer.


“Culturally, many Azerbaijanis might be considered “rude” according to Western standards” seems unproblematic.

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