Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
That’s just the majority of the issue. It’s not whether the moderation is reasonable and fair, it’s just that you (and several others) don’t want to be moderated whatsoever and seem to have found yourselves inexplicably in a moderated space somehow. Maybe you’re the ones who should leave?
its also impossible to have an actual conversation on antisemitism and the how extremist Israeli ideology fits in with Jewishness. your post reminds me that one time you said something like "of course I support Israel, I am Jewish." the same sentiment, that by default Jews support Israel, an extremist country doing mass murder, apartheid, mass theft etc, would definitely risk a ban if expressed by an anti-Israel poster.
hell, even pointing out how often the David Star is used to deface building
Dude, there are threads for all your shitty takes, why do you insist on bringing them to this one?
shrug
The alternative is a UP style liberal echo-chamber that bans dissenters. Maybe that's what you want?
Do you think this is an echo chamber right now? Weren’t you just bitching about the fascists that freely post here?
You live in an alternate reality. Right now you’re complaining about things that aren’t even happening. If your misery needs company can you please go to UP as suggested?
That’s just the majority of the issue. It’s not whether the moderation is reasonable and fair, it’s just that you (and several others) don’t want to be moderated whatsoever and seem to have found yourselves inexplicably in a moderated space somehow. Maybe you’re the ones who should leave?
He went soemewhere else to discover the true genius of those who spout the same approach he does.
If your misery needs company can you please go to UP as suggested
Didnt the geniuses at UP practice something like this at him. Or did they aactually ban him
I wanted them to meet unanimous condemnation from every sane person there and leave through their own volition.
No chance. But fair play, i haven't given up on getting you to stop giving up.
I'm far too gone with my mentally illness of having some understanding aboiut how disasterous it is to get people to identify more strongly with their worst aspects. And how stupid it is for the geniuses to make them defensive about their worst beliefs and try to run them off.
Do you think this is an echo chamber right now? Weren’t you just bitching about the fascists that freely post here?
You live in an alternate reality. Right now you’re complaining about things that aren’t even happening. If your misery needs company can you please go to UP as suggested?
No it's not an echo chamber right now, of course. I think it was/is a better politics forum than UP, that's for sure, and have said as much elsewhere.
No chance. But fair play, i haven't given up on getting you to stop giving up.
I'm far too gone with my mentally illness of having some understanding aboiut how disasterous it is to get people to identify more strongly with their worst aspects. And how stupid it is for the geniuses to make them defensive about their worst beliefs and try to run them off.
Are you currently experiencing some sort of fit?
No chance. But fair play, i haven't given up on getting you to stop giving up.
I'm far too gone with my mentally illness of having some understanding aboiut how disasterous it is to get people to identify more strongly with their worst aspects. And how stupid it is for the geniuses to make them defensive about their worst beliefs and try to run them off.
I feel it's time for your daily reminder that this is a small online forum, not the Houses of ****ing Parliament.
I've just about recovered from nearly dying from irony. And this was just from the public bits.
Afaik I'm the only person officially not banned (this was he precursor site). One of the more ridiculous bullies banned me. A decision was made to reverse that.
Right, so let the fascists run amok and then let you name call them. This should be great for debate.
I would be ok with moderating racism, but only if that word meant what moderate people who vote republican agree it means, not what radicals think it means.
I have been called a racist to write how obesity is different by ethnicity in the USA *without me ever claiming or implying the causes for it*. That's simply insane.
I've just about recovered from nearly dying from irony. And this was just from the public bits.
Afaik I'm the only person officially not banned (this was he precursor site). One of the more ridiculous bullies banned me. A decision was made to reverse that.
Not banned from where? I'm not banned from UP.
There really were some ridiculous bullies, that we can agree.
I would be ok with moderating racism, but only if that word meant what moderate people who vote republican agree it means, not what radicals think it means.
I have been called a racist to write how obesity is different by ethnicity in the USA *without me ever claiming or implying the causes for it*. That's simply insane.
Guys, there was this one time I was posting about race-related stuff and I wasn't actually being racist. I'm so misunderstood 😡
Getting people to identify with their views at their worst is staggeringly stupid politics.
Many people are already identified past the critical point. If people like you don’t like it, then you will have to figure out how to convince them.
Forcing people to self censor as the sole strategy is fine for children, for whom the social self is primary.
It must not be relied upon as the sole strategy for adults. It will too often have a backlash leading to even more anti sociality.
Guys, there was this one time I was posting about race-related stuff and I wasn't actually being racist. I'm so misunderstood 😡
I stopped discussing race as much as i could in this forum because of the utter bad faith of the moderation on that topic.
But recently when a guy uses obesity rates by state to claim given republican led states have more obese people that proves they are worse at governance, i just answered claiming republican led states with high obesity almost always have more blacks and natives (which is the case, objectively) and THAT is why their obesity rates are higher, it has nothing to do with state policy (also because it's kind dumb to think state policy affects obesity at all to begin with).
That was considered super racist and a mod intervened to tell me to stop to talk about that in the trump thread.
It's truly grotesque, there is an obsession to deny factual measurable race differences even in outcomes at this point, even with no mention of possible causes, other than to deny that's caused by state policy (because race differences in obesity rates exist both in democrat led and republican led states: it's just that some republican led states have many blacks).
Many people are already identified past the critical point. If people like you don’t like it, then you will have to figure out how to convince them.
Even if true but that doens't mean we can identify which people have identified past the critical point. Geeniuses aside - they can do it easily of course.
Forcing people to self censor as the sole strategy is fine for children, for whom the social self is primary.
It must not be relied upon as the sole strategy for adults. It will too often have a backlash leading to even more anti sociality.
I agree that a sole strategy should not be relied upon. It is tiny compared to other statagies such as for example, the law.
I would be ok with moderating racism, but only if that word meant what moderate people who vote republican agree it means, not what radicals think it means.
I have been called a racist to write how obesity is different by ethnicity in the USA *without me ever claiming or implying the causes for it*. That's simply insane.
I took specific exception with this post:
freakdaddy do you understand that you could run a top 10 of the states with the highest percentage of white or asian residents in and it would be almost identical to every top10 positive list you just posted?
and the states with the highest black / natives percentages of the population are almost identical to the negative top 10 lists you made? except blacks /natives in republican states don't usually vote republican?
is that element clear to you?
do you understand race is the determinant for basically everything that matters when comparing areas of the USA, much more than everything else combined? and that the same is true within all states?
like you pick the safest highest income happiest areas and the opposite, and it's virtually always whites and Asians vs blacks and natives, within each state?
You picked state obesity rate because of the fact that black people have a higher obesity rate than average. While this is a true statistic I proved to you statistically that you were wrong
do you understand race is the determinant for basically everything that matters when comparing areas of the USA
on your specific selection of obesity. Slam dunk, the statistics don't back you up. That is literally all that happened. I didn't look into any other top 10 because you specifically picked obesity.
Now, I and possibly others, called you racist and I called that post "race sciency" because .... well.... you've expressed race science thoughts before! OMG what a shocker! I've called you out for having a racial tier list that you literally touched on in the post I took exception towards! Like, what do you want us to do Luciom?!?
The good news is you are generally fairly modable. You don't start harassing mods because you don't like what they say though you might pout and whine about it a bit, you keep it mostly objective. You also drive a ton of conversation here while doing it mostly within the lines.
Even if true but that doens't mean we can identify which people have identified past the critical point. Geeniuses aside - they can do it easily of course.
Ok, but we can identify which views have lasted beyond the critical point, right?
Has censoring racism made it go away? Just a little more censorship and we’ll get there?
