Eat The Rich!
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I don’t think you guys understand how numbers work.
If billionaires were taxed at the same rates as everyone else ALL TAXES would be covered by their contribution
Nobody else would have to pay any taxes ever.
It’s not my fault you haven’t taught yourself to understand economics and how large large numbers work
Blowjob healthcare would save the country money.
So would reparations.
Stupid, greedy and selfish.
Like at every time in human history? All improvement, and we are far better off than before, happened while most people were stupid greedy and selfish.
You know why? Because some systems don't deny stupidity, greed and selfishness are commonplace *and uneliminable* because of biological reasons, some systems accept that's the case and develop a way to improve conditions given that.
Those systems are called "capitalist systems".
It doesn't blow my mind at all because it's the exact reason why the planet is so ****ed up.
It is such an extreme end of the spectrum though. People can vary across a range of issues but falling in the most ignorant category across everything is only something I come across on the internet.
This is one of the main reasons people aren't taking AI that seriously. Normal conversations like this one about the impacts of AI on the labour market always seem to have 'that guy' who somehow wants to devolve the conversation into doomer fanfiction around some dystopian fantasy.
Just to let you know the reason we are protecting Taiwan is that the Taiwanese make the best computer processes in the world, which means whoever has access to their facilities will have an extreme advantage over anyone who does not have the same access.
The fight over Taiwan is a fight to keep A.I. out of the hands of the Chinese. If they get A.I before us and they decide to end us then it’s over.
If the topic of the singularity has any reasonableness, we are definitionally incapable to speculate about it's effects.
You might think the singularity is a silly/wrong concept but you should elaborate why.
We, by definition, cannot estimate, predict or comprehend what an intelligence far superior to the most intelligent human being who ever lived might concoct, nor the effect of that intelligence being replicable at scale, at a low cost, and being able to self improve.
We are telling fellow ants
Prob the smartest thing you’ve I’ve ever seen you say
Prices are already obscene for customers and people get 18/hour to flip ****ing burgers, you think HVAC installers aren't paid enough? They make a lot more than psychology and gender studies majors
HVAC installers don’t get much but the hvac owners make a ton. Source: I work in hvac
Like at every time in human history? All improvement, and we are far better off than before, happened while most people were stupid greedy and selfish.
You know why? Because some systems don't deny stupidity, greed and selfishness are commonplace *and uneliminable* because of biological reasons, some systems accept that's the case and develop a way to improve conditions given that.
Those systems are called "capitalist systems".
There's no such thing as a single definable "human nature" beyond very basic survival instincts, family protection etc.
Humans in basic societies far removed from the influence of governments and capitalists tend to be very cooperative because each member may become dependent on others. Such societies are very horizontal.
Capitalists always promote selfishness as human nature to justify sticking with their broken system of recessions, poverty, famine and now climate disaster over more accountable systems where power is distributed more horizontally.
There's no such thing as "human nature" beyond very basic survival instincts, family protection etc.
Humans in basic societies far removed from the influence of governments and capitalists tend to be very cooperative because each member may become dependent on others. Such societies are very horizontal.
Capitalists always promote selfishness as human nature to justify sticking with their broken system of recessions, poverty, famine and now climate disaster over more accountable systems where powe
There is no such thing as human nature except selfishness and greed , and stupidity wrt long term thinking for a species that had to survive in the present for a couple millions of years sure.
People are cooperative in groups small enough were you are literally a blood relative of everyone , because human nature is pro-family.
We still have huge examples of insane generosity among blood family members, don't we?
And pre agriculture (nothing to do with capitalism ) we couldn't hoard resources for the long term, so the best investment was human allies. You have excess resources today, you give to people strategically so they will help you when needed. Food couldn't be kept for the long term unlike in agriculture (where you can stock on herd animals, or barrels of grain) .
But humans always wanted to excel over neighbors, specifically for mate selection (specifically men). And women are attracted by men with more resources for biological success reasons. That's the engine of societal dynamic not capitalism.
You attribute to capitalism what is inherent to human nature, was widely visible after agriculture pre-capitalism (think hammurabi code for reference) , and capitalism managed to restrain and direct to the actual greater good.
This is one of the genuinely great insights in history about human nature:
It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.
Americans are not pro family.
There is no such thing as human nature except selfishness and greed , and stupidity wrt long term thinking for a species that had to survive in the present for a couple millions of years sure.
People are cooperative in groups small enough were you are literally a blood relative of everyone , because human nature is pro-family.
We still have huge examples of insane generosity among blood family members, don't we?
And pre agriculture (nothing to do with capitalism ) we couldn't hoard resources for th
Not talking about pre-agriculture or mate selection. Women being attracted to men of means is a function of non-horizontal societies where they're incentiivised to avoid the poorest males at the bottom of a vertical.
Every time an American leaves an inheritance to his blood heirs instead of spending all his money or leaving it to a cause he cares about, he disproves this claim.
We are talking trillions per year.
Every time a parent pays anything toward his adult son college, or allows him/her to live in his own house as adult, he does as well.
Most other mammals spend a grand total of absolutely 0 resources toward their adult offsprings. 0, nada.
Ya and anytime they don’t then I’m right.
I think it's pretty clear that the future is authoritarianism/fascism funded by trillionaires and enforced by AI. The age where people could overthrow governments is over. All hail the new world order.
Christ knows what you're so cheerful about.
I'm pretty negative on where we're heading at the moment but i dont begin to share your pessimism overall.
I laso think that we on the left have to have a positive vision or we basically concede everythng. "We're ****ed whatever we do so why bother".
But also we have to be realistic and admit that unless we do something very very soon the way power is becoming more and more concentrated in the hands of a tiny elite of uber-rich and powerful people controlling the establishment (governments, institutions) and leveraging AI to maintain and increase their control it will be too late.
It may well be too late already.
I kinda agree with that but not for the long term.
Currently we are fast heading for seriously big trouble. I agree it very much may already be too late to prevent this but we can never be sure and it would be foolish not to try.
We are trying but with a total **** like Starmer about to fritter away a probable election victory we won't succeed in the foreseeable future unless something very unexpected happens.
I agree with that.
But also we have to be realistic and admit that unless we do something very very soon the way power is becoming more and more concentrated in the hands of a tiny elite of uber-rich and powerful people controlling the establishment (governments, institutions) and leveraging AI to maintain and increase their control it will be too late.
It may well be too late already.
It's not too late to solve the dramatic problem China poses to humanity which you properly described
I think it's pretty clear that the future is authoritarianism/fascism funded by trillionaires and enforced by AI. The age where people could overthrow governments is over. All hail the new world order.
Christ knows what you're so cheerful about.
There are things that generally bother you a lot specifically, like ideas about authoritarianism and fascism, and you find a way to manifest these thoughts into fan fiction future settings.
If AGI arrives (and I am not saying that's impossible), it's the singularity, we either all end up dead/in hell, or in a heaven beyond comprehension, there is no middle road.
Until AGI arrives it's the same old game we always played for millennia.
So it's irrational to give a **** as there is nothing you can do to prepare for possible scenarios other than living normally for the "AGI is delayed" scenario
Meh, humans are very good at genocide and destroying things.
AGI bots won't be afforded our morals and ethics. The moment these robot nerds get out of line the guillotine is coming for them.
Meh, humans are very good at genocide and destroying things.
AGI bots won't be afforded our morals and ethics. The moment these robot nerds get out of line the guillotine is coming for them.
With proper AGI existing you don't need AGI volition to get to the singularity, any human using it can change the world.
It's not about terminator style singularity.
Remember what an AGI can do:
1) earn close to unlimited amounts of money trading the markets fat better than the best trader who ever existed
2) crack most if not all encryption standards worldwide
3) develop close to infinite (compared to the amount humans have access to currently) energy sources
4) develop tools to change human DNA extensively toward any outcome the utilizer might desire
5) easily develop an airborne ebola-lile disease
Et cetera.
You don't need it to act "on its own" to permanently change the world forever, any single rogue actor with access to it is enough
I am defining AGI as artificial general intelligence, an intelligence stronger at every single intelligent endeavour that the best (at that task) human who ever lived, AND which can improve itself if ordered to do so
It is such an extreme end of the spectrum though. People can vary across a range of issues but falling in the most ignorant category across everything is only something I come across on the internet.
You may very well be right in that extreme end of the spectrum, thinking everyone else is wrong, yet are wrong yourself.
Remember BlackJAckDegen, you are just another average human being like the rest of us. Nothing about you is special. Nothing about me is special. The chances of you being the enlightened one all of these issues, is not likely at all.
