Eat The Rich!

Humans already can get better at any intelligence -related task, with a lot of limitations.

Now imagine a completely immortal human being which can expand his brain a lot by manipulating reality around him (AGI telling you how to build the new servers, and making you the money to buy what you need) and can change human DNA to make the brain work faster and better for the tasks he wants to accomplish, and can copy itself an infinite amount of times.

Can it get better with the cap being so far away from what we can comprehend, it would look very soon like "god"? Yes.

But until that threshold is reached (if ever) it would look very "normal" compared to that

If AGI can do what you describe above, then it is powerful enough to: help us cure cancer and solve complex problems we have today, like the future energy problem. Maybe give us tools and technology to help solve the climate issues.

Not everything is just negative.

As I said before, the singularity is either hell or heaven. I didn't say it's necessarily bad.

But there is no in-between. Wrong hands (or wrong AGI aligned volition) = GG humanity. Right hands, heaven on earth.

You still thinking cancer and the climate, those are things solved in like 3 minutes by a self-improving AGI. We are talking colonizing the galaxy and so on.

Trillions of human beings across the universe level of stuff.

Now if I am right on the dichotomic nature of AGI arrival, and you agree with me on that, follow me on the next rational step.

What you do know is irrelevant in any scenario where AGI arrives. Doesn't matter. Insignificant.

What's the rational way to live then given AGI could arrive and either destroy us or make us God? Literally live as if it never happens, because that's the only scenario where what you do now matters.

This all so powerful Chat GPT was made free and public for everyone to use. So evidence is showing us this technology is not in fact being more and more concentrated in the hands of the tiny.

In the future, if there is an AI software so powerful that it can manage money better than index funds, do your taxes, help you run your business.... Guess what, it will probably be available to the general public. Everyone will have access to a NVIDIA chip ran super computer.

Both of you are just doom and glooming this.

Chill out.

I pray that god and or aliens are real and care enough to save us. I really don’t know where I can go that killer robot drones can’t follow me

The Andes?

To a computer the world is math, and A.I. will be the smartest most capable computer ever imagined . It will be able to solve all problems upon considering any one them. All diseases gone. Hunger? Gone. All food will be grown and delivered optimally. Energy issues? Gone. The A.I. won’t be wrong and it won’t take no for an answer.

We will be slaves to the computers or we will destroy electricity and wish we had prepared for the end of civilization.

I'm pretty chill thannks and I'm very cheerful and optimistic about the future. I'm not even particualrly anti-capitalist which will be a short, quite possibly necessary, phase that wont feature much in human history (assuming we fade the small chance of extinction),

It's just that change is painful - even when the change is for the much better. Denial makes it far worse and we should strive to get ahead of it.

Could you give some examples on us fast heading to big trouble?

inequality, the rise of the far right, climate change

My bad, i thought you were referencing the results of Ai.

I think AI/etc is an issue because those 3 things make us vulnerable and ill-equiped to cope with the change AI/etc is going to bring. That change will feedback into rising inequality and extremism.

Overall I think AI/etc will be brilliant.

No. Don’t project your own failure to see the big picture onto other people as their imagination. That’s gaslighting.

Inequality was a constat feature of all agricultural human societies though, it's the current historical era which is quite weird not the opposite.

Also what I think you describe as the far right is very moderate in historical terms.

Unless you mean someone else, Orban, Wilders, Meloni, Trump, Milei, Bolsonaro and so on are vanilla liberals in historical terms

Yes agriculture or more accurately land based power hierarchies was the start of the problem I agree but pre agriculture societies show us that human nature isn’t fixed and easily defined in the terms that capitalists like to use

Pre agriculture societies show you that humans who live exclusively among close blood relatives are interested in their relatives wellbeing a lot.

They also told us that human nature doesn't consider complete strangers the same at all which is why groups genocide each others very very very often pre agriculture.

That didn't change with agriculture, what changed is that we somehow managed to cohabit with non blood relatives without automatically wanting to kill all their men and steal their women and resources which was the standard before, but it took extreme steps in societal organization and left that sense of unease which we can't pinpoint to very well but which is a constant feature of our societies.

That something isn't right at all, that the leaders and your neighbor want to **** you, that you have to constantly watch over your shoulders for enemies among the same people who live nearby, that we can't get along very well, that politics is a **** show (and I am not talking only today I am talking Greek city states and everything else as well).

And that's because our biology developed over 500k-3m year is wired for us to live in extended families, not with strangers nearby.

The rise of the far right does rather imply it being relatively moderate for the far right at the moment. If you think it wont rise further then I hope your're right but it's not favorite imo

increasing inequality and a functional democracy are hard to reconcile. I dont wan t to go back to the past where inequality works better.

Our biology isn’t wired as you put it for using bicycles or eating pizza yet amazingly humans do both of these things and many more we aren’t wired for without suffering harmful consequences, and they enrich our lives.

You’re sitting there communicating directly with someone a thousand miles away and yet you think what we were biologically wired for a million years ago is of supreme importance?

The point is we are highly adaptable or humans wouldn’t have thrived

Your biology is actually wired to use tools.

It isnt wired to eat ultraprocessed foods right which is why doing that is detrimental for our health and we develop significant diseases which were extreme rare in pre agricultural time like you know diabetes and many others.

42% of the american population is obese (vs less than 1% in pre agricultural time iirc) yet you claim doing things we aren't biologically wired for doesn't have harmful consequences.

As for pizza specifically btw we had a genetic mutation which (for many of us, not all) made lactose digestible when adults which is what allows us to eat mozzarella without too many negative health consequences. We literally had to change our DNA before being able to do so properly. That mutation appeared 8-10k years ago in northern Europe and spread from there.

We also aren't wired to sit as much as we do during the day

We are wired to sit (and crawl around) because our exoskeleton was developed long before humans started to walk. The prevalence of back aches is due to excess pressure from the weight of our enlarged heads on our spine which wasn't didn't evolve to support this mass, not sitting per se. Doing exercises and changing positions helps which is why we're told not to sit so much.

Sorry for the late edit that you missed:

You’re sitting there communicating directly with someone a thousand miles away and yet you think what we were biologically wired for a million years ago is of supreme importance?

The point is we are highly adaptable or humans wouldn’t have thrived

I think you aren't interpreting the "biological wiring" in the actual sense it should be interpreted.

You can put a pigeon in the international space station and it will behave given its biological pulsions which doesn't mean he will automatically die there, it depends on a lot of things.

Humans are adaptable more than the median living being sure, less than some (ants for example) but a lot. That means our biological wiring isn't too extremely interconnected with some of the detailed specifics of our place of origin. For example we can survive in weather which is very different from that of the area where our species came to exist. We can digest the flesh of some animals, and some plants, that weren't around in the area we developed as a species. And so on.

But think of it this way, that elephants can survive in captivity doesn't mean they are wired to live in captivity right? it means their wiring isn't completly opposite to captivity, ie they don't have some mechanism that make it impossible to be kept captive through the generations, like a complete interruption of mating if captive (which is what happens to some other species).

Now why is it that the way we are wired by biology to interact to other is very important today? because no matter the technology until you change the DNA the same mechanism will apply. The same macro mechanisms that we are wired for very strongly.

As a pro-social species (a fairly uncommon element in wild life for mammals, but it isn't exclusive to us), a lot of our biology is dedicated at interactions with other members of the same species (same is true for elephants, wolves so dogs, dolphins and a few others, aside primates). Our social mechanisms are what allowed our ancestors to survive and thrive for millions of years.

The idea that there aren't many ingrained behaviour pulsions and rules in our biological wrt how we deal with each others is bizzarre given that. Adn they stay with us even if we develop agriculture, industrialization, nuclear energy, and instant communication across the world.

Now if you get this why don't you get that the way you will behave with a stranger is wired as well, same thing. It's not like any behavioural attitude isn't genetically determined, the "mind" isn't special, it's subject to the same exact evolutionary processes, and with it everything the mind produces

Nature sure but dont forget nurture

Because unlike you, I suspect, I was brought up around what you would call "strangers" and it isn't wired or if there is some remnants of wiring it can easily be nurtured away.

The far right always have one thing in common which is excessive fear, hence the word xenophobia. It seem very weak to me.