Eat The Rich!

I most certainly dont no that's exactly what allows the worst government abuses in human history.

Forgot the war on terror already? Schools closed 2 years for COVID? Japanese American internment camps?

All predicated on erring the way you like

I don't regard 9/11 as heralding more life endangering events, not that the Iraq war had anything to do with it other than using it as a pretext.
COVID shutdown was a good thing and saved lives.
Japanese American internment camps was ridiculous and doubtful that it saved many if any lives.

You don't want a simple majority "erring risk averse" to intern all Muslims because they might be terrorists right?

Well I generalize that and I don't want any radical change to ever happen just because the 51% is risk averse, including any plan to retool the economy because otherwise polar bear might become extinct in 100 years or whatever.

Even if all the mainstream claims about climate change risks were true (and I think they mostly aren't and are exaggerated), money is far better spent to deal appropriately with a warmer world than to avoid the world getting warmer in the first place.

So having half the voters of one of the two major parties in the USA motivated by crazy, lunatic, absurd claims is really scary, this is far worse than the worst opinion among republicans on any topic by a huge margin btw

Humanity will face challenges and we will overcome.

You hang out too much in echo chambers that reinforce your negative view of the world.

You don't know where I hang out.

A pessimistic view of the future would have been right many times more often than an optimistic view.

Humans are particularly good at presenting an optimistic face, failing, then claiming victory.

You either don't grasp or don't care how selfish and ruthless the billionaire club is and how much control they exert over various crucial areas of life.

Ya that’s what the Neanderthals thought, it’s what the Aztecs thought, it’s what the native Americans thought.

It’s not what happened

And it's what Tien thought.

Native Americans thought immigration was always a moral good with no negative consequences for natives?

Not on technology though. There is basically no discovery in human history that made us on aggregate worse off.

Doesn't mean it can't happen here but it's definitely false that negative predictions about the impact of tech were ever right

Talking about existential threats

So immigration can be an existential threat for natives?

I think you need to rethink this one.

When you say can, do you mean like odds that include one out of a million times?

There are huge downsides to being available all waking hours. There are huge downsides to mobile phone usage. There are huge downsides to social media... need I go on?

My mental cutoff is at around 1/10k of something happening per year (we need to simplify somehow).

But say, would you consider it existential if you are only subjugated and a few of the group survive and are able to reproduce? Because sometimes existential risk means actual complete exctinction risk, which didn't happen for many native tribes

Yes because no one is claiming Pareto efficiency of any tech. Even antibiotics kept alive some people than later became serial killers, so?

I claimed aggregate net benefit, IE being better off that without it.

How would you judge if something is good or not otherwise?

it's impossible to assesses the net aggregate of things so complex.

But if you want to factor in all the unnecessary manufacturing since the industrial revolution that's sent climate change spiraling out of control...that seems a like a definitive large negative.

Social media: Twitter, FB, IG etc

The world would be a much better place without those things ainec.

In fact it would be a much better place without mobile phones especially smart phones, and it was.

Diesel engines in cars.

social media isn't tech, the tech is the internet, social media is but one of the innumerable things the internet enabled, you might want to claim social media is one of the negatives of the internet (debatable but not necessarily absurd), yet you have to weight it against all other effects of the internet.

This I can't but strongly disagree with, urban air pollution improved dramatically with them over gasoline engines

Ok so how can you claim confidently the pessimists had it right much more often than the optimists, if it's so complex?

Un necessary manufacturing? Lol, some people demanded that stuff and what is necessary is not what you decide rather what people are willing to depart with resources to get (definitionally).

I see you started the full luddist moralizer mode, perfect example of how yours is a religion.

There's a reason it's been phased out. I was working in the automotive industry when it was going on and all the lying about emissions was happening.

Because I wasn't just talking about technology. A pessimistic forecast of most world events would have been more accurate than an optimistic Tien style la la land everything's going to be ok. Because it isn't ok and we are ****ed and it's going to take a large stroke of fortune for us to be un****ed.

The religion is the green plan idiocy of religious extremists (which btw is against gasoline cars the same), but we are going to stop that in the EU starting with the vote we are having soon.

Fyi though in the EU diesel is fiscally favourite (less penalized) to gasoline in most countries