President Elon Musk
He probably deserves his own thread at this point, discuss accordingly
many protestors on Jan 6 were INVESTIGATED, then not indicted when not enough to indict them was found.
NO. Their ACTIONS were investigated to see if they were part of the group that broke the law. That's not the same thing. You said that the PEOPLE should be investigated. Entirely different matter. When crimes have been committed and you are in the vicinity, there is nothing wrong with seeing if you were part of the group that committed the crimes. You are talking about investigating PEOPLE when no crimes were committed.
And yes, your fascism is still showing if you don't understand that difference.
I am talking investigating illegal protestors which chant slogans of a terrorist group, and you call me fascist.
No you weren't. You specifically said:
"let's say that everyone participating in a pro Hamas protest should be investigated"
let's say that everyone participating in a pro Hamas protest should be investigated at least as everyone who was close to capitol hill on Jan 6 2021 was
EVERYONE PARTICIPATING IN A PROTEST.
You just decided to suddenly start talking about illegal protests because you knew you got caught spouting fascist crap.
yes we were talking the people who got fired for protesting pro Hamas.
all of them who got fired did illegal things, that was the ground for firing, not the protesting.
microbet added I would like them shot. I said not but I would like them investigated and if they are proven to materially support Hamas, treated like the terrorists supporters they are.
they all occupied buildings and so on and you know that.
read again
yes we were talking the people who got fired for protesting pro Hamas.
all of them who got fired did illegal things, that was the ground for firing, not the protesting.
microbes added I would like them shot. I said not but I would like them investigated and if they are proven toaterially support Hamas, treated like the terrorists supporters they are.
they all occupied buildings and so on and you know that.
read again
YOU read again. I'll help.
let's say that everyone participating in a pro Hamas protest should be investigated at least as everyone who was close to capitol hill on Jan 6 2021 was
Are you then withdrawing that statement?
so gorgon was the Biden admin fascist to investigate everyone in the proximity of capitol hill on Jan 6 as a POTENTIAL criminal?
so gorgon was the Biden admin fascist to investigate everyone in the proximity of capitol hill on Jan 6 as a POTENTIAL criminal?
Asked and answered.
Are you amending your statement or not?
let's say that everyone participating in a pro Hamas protest should be investigated at least as everyone who was close to capitol hill on Jan 6 2021 was
and this little gem too that proves you weren't just talking about the people near a crime:
Your fascist flag is flying pretty high here, Luciom.
yes and the context was several replies above, victor tweet about how many had been fired started it.
if you cannot follow context and read out of context, you end up like you.
a claim in an internet forum doesn't have to stand on its own outside of the context it is written it, unless you are a radical leftist intended to argue in bad faith which you are then you disregard what the conversation was about and pick the claim you want to criticize that doesn't generalize as much because of the context.
the statement was already about *and committed illicit acts doing so*.
the completely legal protests no one ever gave a **** about.
because completly legal protests don't register unless they are TRULY massive, if you don't commit illegal acts you don't disrupt life and no one gives a **** ever.
if you can't block any access, road, bridge, or occupy any building, people don't care about what you say unless it's millions of people all together.
the left historically tries to obviate this real problem (that normal people truly dgaf about protests that don't touch them materially) by what they called "peaceful disobedience" (Orwellian speech).
IE they started committing violent illegal acts against property under the absurd, illegal pretense that "that's actually not illegal because it isn't as bad as the things I want to talk about".
so basically almost all leftist protests THAT REGISTER, aside the very few huge ones, are those where illegal acts are committed.
You SPECIFICALLY said ALL pro hamas protestors, TWICE. ANYONE who chants loud enough, in fact was CLEARLY specified by you.
Wave that flag. Don't be so shy about it. There isn't a person here that doesn't already know this about you. Why continue to try to hide it?
let's say that everyone participating in a pro Hamas protest should be investigated at least as everyone who was close to capitol hill on Jan 6 2021 was
and this little gem too that proves you weren't just talking about the people near a crime:
You want people investigated if you don't like their speech. You want to monitor them. This is a violation of free speech, which you pretend to hold so dear (but we know better). Free speech is a very dear thing unless Luciom doesn't approve of your words, then MONITOR THEM.
anyone writing pro Hamas slogans online even (doesn't need to be a protest) should be flagged as a potential terrorist, wouldn't you suggest the FBI does the same for anyone writing violent white supremacist slogans?
but ofc the resources to investigate millions of people aren't there so you should focus on those that already have proven to be willing to break the law to support terrorists.
I want people investigated if they support violent terrorist groups. as does any normal person, and that's a way to AVOID fascism.
fascism is what happens when you refuse to go against domestic enemies within the rule of law because they are *your political base*, like pro Hamas is for democrats, and the people say "enough".
THERE you go. Like I said, just let it fly proudly. It's not a secret.
according to gorgo investigating people who build a site where they discuss at length how nice it would be to brand all Jews with special tattoos is fascism.
truly ****ed up in the head
You mean after they have probably cause that I have committed a crime? No, Luciom, that's how the legal system works.
that's not probable cause , just a hint, and it's not even necessarily criminal as you don't know the amounts of the potential evasion yet, and they don't need probable cause to audit you.
being investigated isn't a violation of your rights and doesn't require probable cause.
they need probable cause to conduct a search or get a warrant.
not to, say, talk with people who know about you looking for, you know, the probable cause (=investigating)
so keeping an eye on those people, flagging them, and investigating for the most atrocious ones (participants in several illegal protests, leaders and so on) is absolutely ANTI FASCISM, what a normal liberal country has to do within the rule of law to protect it's citizens, so that the same citizens don't start looking at fascism as the only option to get redress from violence.
An actual audit of a US government department would take longer than a few weeks. It would take months. What these clowns are doing is a database search for selected key words and then screaming "FRAUD!, WASTE!". This is how they fire people and then have to say "oops". Or come up with the asinine thought that a billion condoms were sent to Gaza.
They knew exactly what they were looking for, but it had to be done this way.
The best is still yet to come.
that's not probable cause , just a hint, and it's not even necessarily criminal as you don't know the amounts of the potential evasion yet, and they don't need probable cause to audit you.
being investigated isn't a violation of your rights and doesn't require probable cause.
they need probable cause to conduct a search or get a warrant.
not to, say, talk with people who know about you looking for, you know, the probable cause (=investigating)
Neat. You realize tax laws are not the same thing as freedom of speech right? Your red herring is doing nothing, fascist. I'm not a tax lawyer and I couldn't give a rip less. Nothing you are saying has anything to do with your clear desire to violate freedom of speech. Your desire to deflect is noted.
not a straw man, you are calling investigating (not arresting or violating their rights) people who conduct in horrific speech in favor of ultra violent groups and ideologies fascism.
that applies to neo nazi groups as well
If I didn't make the argument you ascribed to me, it is, by definition a straw man. Threatening to brand jews is not protected speech, fascist.