RFK - Make America Healthy? again?

RFK - Make America Healthy? again?

I believe this guy is going to need his own thread.

14 February 2025 at 09:30 PM
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by Luciom

Not for age bracket risks no. Which is why Sweden didn't close elementary schools, citing exactly that data as the main reason, that proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the disease wasn't risky for kids.I know why you guys want to deny objective reality and the fact that we knew already for a certainty the disease was irrelevant for young people in April 2020, still not go

objective reality...a paradise that exists only in Luciom's mind


Luciom has zero idea what objective reality is in any medical related topic. None at all. He has repeatedly made basic errors in interpretation.

One of the best examples Dunning Kruger I've ever seen. He thinks because he knows how to read a chart he is capable of drawing conclusions in subjects he has zero knowledge of. It's been pointed out to him repeatedly, yet he still insisted he's capable of interpreting medical data better than people who are trained to do it.

He's wrong. Every time.


by jchristo

objective reality...a paradise that exists only in Luciom's mind

They wrote they knew the data said that in early 2020.

that's objective reality, which you guys deny ("wr didn't know anything!!")


Remedy Supported by Kennedy Leaves Some Measles Patients More Ill

After the health secretary promoted vitamin A as a cure, parents in West Texas began giving their children high doses, sometimes to prevent infection.
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In a shocking turn of events, RFKj, the idiot, recommended vitamin A instead of vaccination to prevent measles infections and now some people, including kids, are basically overdosing on cod liver oil and supplements.

Parents in Gaines County, Texas, the center of a raging measles outbreak, have increasingly turned to supplements and unproven treatments to protect their children, many of whom are unvaccinated, against the virus.

One of those supplements is cod liver oil containing vitamin A, which Mr. Kennedy has promoted as a near miraculous cure for measles. Physicians at Covenant Children’s Hospital in Lubbock, Texas, say they’ve now treated a handful of unvaccinated children who were given so much vitamin A that they had signs of liver damage.

Some of them had received unsafe doses of cod liver oil and other vitamin A supplements for several weeks in an attempt to prevent a measles infection, said Dr. Summer Davies, who cares for acutely ill children at the hospital.

“I had a patient that was only sick a couple of days, four or five days, but had been taking it for like three weeks,” Dr. Davies said.

Just unbelievable the destruction the uneducated can do.


by Gorgonian

Remedy Supported by Kennedy Leaves Some Measles Patients More IllAfter the health secretary promoted vitamin A as a cure, parents in West Texas began giving their children high doses, sometimes to prevent infection.---In a shocking turn of events, RFKj, the idiot, recommended vitamin A instead of vaccination to prevent measles infections and now some people, including kids, are

Physicians say water is good for you. Are they wrong?


This is just making Gorgonian's case for him. If the woman had been given sound medical advice for her dehydration and followed it, she would more than likely have survived.


Do physicians say cod liver oil and vitamin A will cure/prevent measles? Do they say not to get vaccinated and drink water instead?

No, they are not wrong: water is good for you. It does not prevent measles and it is not a substitute for vaccination.

Listen to actual doctors, not RFKj and other conspiracy theorists.

I hope that helped.


by Gorgonian

Listen to actual doctors

OK. Here's an actual doctor.


Some more doctors.

Senate confirms Dr Marty Makary as Trump's FDA chief.
FDA chief pick Dr. Marty Makary was skeptical of COVID-19 policies


by Gorgonian

Do physicians say cod liver oil and vitamin A will cure/prevent measles? Do they say not to get vaccinated and drink water instead?

No, they are not wrong: water is good for you. It does not prevent measles and it is not a substitute for vaccination.

Listen to actual doctors, not RFKj and other conspiracy theorists.

I hope that helped.

i guess you didn't read the article you linked. it says physicians administer high doses of vitamin A to manage measles.

try again.


by housenuts

i guess you didn't read the article you linked. it says physicians administer high doses of vitamin A to manage measles.

try again.

I did read the article and I don't need to try anything again. Thanks for the uneducated advice, simpleton.


Imagine that... we're STILL learning about the effects of long covid (of course we are).

‘Something was wrong with my brain’: How covid leaves its mark on cognition
Five years after the pandemic began, the neurocognitive effects of long covid are numerous and troubling. And some of these cognitive losses may extend to people who quickly recovered.

Five years later, Davis is one of an estimated 20 million Americans and 400 million people worldwide who have had long covid, in which symptoms persist or newly develop more than three months after a coronavirus infection.

“Someone who has long covid has functionally changed as a person. They’re by necessity a different person … it is a systemic illness that changes everything.”— Hannah Davis

Neurocognitive symptoms of long covid are among the most common, affecting 18 to 36 percent of patients — and among the most devastating. Many people have reported cognitive disabilities, with some having to stop working.

And some of these cognitive losses are not limited to people with long covid; they may also extend to those who quickly recovered from the acute infection.

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by FreakDaddy

Imagine that... we're STILL learning about the effects of long covid (of course we are).

Yes, indeed. It's one of the main reasons all this talk about "it was harmless for kids" and "the only danger was for the elderly or sick" talk is absolute nonsense. Not only did we not know that in 2020, we still don't know that.

Of course there are other reasons, but that's one of the big ones.


by Gorgonian

Yes, indeed. It's one of the main reasons all this talk about "it was harmless for kids" and "the only danger was for the elderly or sick" talk is absolute nonsense. Not only did he not know that in 2020, we still don't know that.

Of course there are other reasons, but that's one of the big ones.

Ya, I think we both know where we stand on this one. It's a bit of a pet peeve for me when people talk about just keeping the schools open. My wife and I both have the same long covid. Not related to cognitive, but really, really not fun regardless.


There's a pretty strong correlation between covid infections and Alzheimer's risk, so none of this is surprising at all to me or anyone in the field.


by Brian James

OK. Here's an actual doctor.

Isn't developing pneumonia one of the common complications of having measles? If the child got measles and as a result of the measles infection, then developed pneumonia; is it not sort of pedantic to say the child died of pneumonia and not of measles if they are interrelated? I believe in these circumstances a doctor would say that measles in the underlying cause of death, but that the immediate cause of death is pneumonia. Please, correct me if that is an incorrect assumption.

Also, the 2 minute tweet you've posted is heavily edited and I'm also not really sure what you're trying to say by posting it. Would you clarify your position, please?


by Brokenstars

Isn't developing pneumonia one of the common complications of having measles? If the child got measles and as a result of the measles infection, then developed pneumonia; is it not sort of pedantic to say the child died of pneumonia and not of measles if they are interrelated? I believe in these circumstances a doctor would say that measles in the underlying cause of death, but

You are entirely correct.


by FreakDaddy

Imagine that... we're STILL learning about the effects of long covid (of course we are).‘Something was wrong with my brain’: How covid leaves its mark on cognitionFive years after the pandemic began, the neurocognitive effects of long covid are numerous and troubling. And some of these cognitive losses may extend to people who quickly recovered.Five years later, Dav

Most people have been exposed to covid and almost no one has tested every week since feb 2020 so it's utterly impossible to ever gather any meaningful long term "long covid" data as you don't have a proper control group. You would need a baseline to confront against, properly balanced to reflect the population , age brackets and everything else, and you simply cannot have it no matter what you try to do.

The fact that we can't tell for a certainty who got covid or not (and how many times) makes it *completly impossible* to discuss long covid 5 years after the appearance of the disease. Any claim to the contrary is utterly fraudulent.

It is similar to what the antivaxxed do for puported long term side-effects of vaccines basically.

What the people in that article are doing is medical and scientifical malpractice, they are identical to antivaxxers who peddle supplements and "rituals" to "devax" yourself, except they are doing it using taxpayers and insurance money and vilifying the medical establishment as well which makes it a lot worse than antivaxxing.


lmao, Lucia the worthless spaghetti **** being smarter than the doctors again. What a worthless piece of garbage she is.


To be fair, you don’t even need to be a ductir to understand how the methodology of meta studies like that can be accurate.


by ecriture d'adulte

To be fair, you don’t even need to be a ductir to understand how the methodology of meta studies like that can be accurate.

By ductir do you mean, "doctor"?


disgusting partisan behavior by senate democrats (the same people I praised for their approval of Rubio, and who correctly disapproved of other names a lot more) who voted on party lines against Bhattacharya for NIH head.

that's the person who decides where the research grants go basically in federal healthcare (paradoxically, more important than the secretary who oversees a much bigger budget but who cannot street that budget in any direction too much by himself).

There are few people worldwide more qualified than him, a truly exceptional professional, and one who will play a major role to reduce the negative impact of RFK


by Brokenstars

Isn't developing pneumonia one of the common complications of having measles? If the child got measles and as a result of the measles infection, then developed pneumonia; is it not sort of pedantic to say the child died of pneumonia and not of measles if they are interrelated? I believe in these circumstances a doctor would say that measles in the underlying cause of death, but

Sure.

The child apparently died as a result of medical error from an entirely treatable pneumonia. Here's the full story.

A child who died in a Texas hospital after developing pneumonia following a measles infection died as a result of “medical error” — including failure to administer the correct antibiotic in time, according to a medical expert who reviewed the child’s medical records.


by Brian James

Sure.

The child apparently died as a result of medical error from an entirely treatable pneumonia. Here's the full story.

That may be the case. However, are you stating that the pneumonia had nothing to do with measles? Do you believe the following statement to be true:

The child died of pneumonia with the underlying cause being measles.


by Brokenstars

That may be the case. However, are you stating that the pneumonia had nothing to do with measles? Do you believe the following statement to be true:

The child died of pneumonia with the underlying cause being measles.

The pneumonia may or may not have been caused by the measles. But that's not the point. The point is she quite likely could have survived if she had been given the correct treatment in the hospital. So, I would classify medical error as the major cause of death with pneumonia being a secondary contributory cause.

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