RFK - Make America Healthy? again?
I believe this guy is going to need his own thread.
And while we are on the subject of measles, here's an interesting take on the outbreak in Texas.
Did the vaccine fuel the outbreak?
And while we are on the subject of measles, here's an interesting take on the outbreak in Texas.Did the vaccine fuel the outbreak?
FactCheck: Posts Make Unsupported Claims About Origin of Texas Measles Outbreak
The measles vaccine, which is administered in two doses as part of the measles, mumps and rubella, or MMR, vaccine, is safe and highly effective. To generate robust protection, the vaccine uses a live but weakened version of the measles virus. There’s no evidence that a vaccinated person has ever spread the weakened measles virus to another person.
Despite this, social media posts have incorrectly claimed or suggested that the ongoing measles outbreak in Texas is due to a vaccine strain and that vaccine clinics are the reason why the outbreak has grown.
“‘Texas Measles Outbreak Began in the Vaccinated,’” reads a Feb. 20 X post from the anti-vaccine group Children’s Health Defense, which was shared on Instagram. “Isn’t it odd that in the same area where there was a mass measles vaccination campaign there is now an outbreak?”
“Measles cases in Gaines County, TX, exploded immediately after health officials handed out free measles vaccines — vaccines that contain live measles virus,” a Facebook post stated. “CDC studies show vaccinated children shed measles virus, which can spread to the unvaccinated. Did the vaccine fuel the outbreak?”
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Texas Gave 15,000 More MMR Shots This Year compared to 2024—Now It Has More Measles Cases Than the Entire U.S. Had in 2024
Is the vaccine itself playing a roll in the surge?
An August 2024 study in the peer-reviewed Journal of Clinical Virology confirms the measles vaccine virus sheds in recently vaccinated children for 29 days, meaning the vaccinated can spread the virus to the unvaccinated for about a month.
A 1995 CDC study found that 83% of vaccinated children had measles virus shed in their urine.
With a genetically modified vaccine virus capable of shedding for nearly a month and entering a broader range of human cells than the wild-type strain, the question becomes harder to ignore: Is the vaccine itself playing a role in the surge?
"A study published last August in the Journal of Clinical Virology has confirmed that the measles vaccine sheds in recently vaccinated children.
Vaccine shedding is the release of live attenuated virus from a recently vaccinated individual, which can expose unvaccinated people to vaccine-derived virus through respiratory secretions, urine, or other bodily fluids, potentially leading to infection."
Texas Gave 15,000 More MMR Shots This Year compared to 2024—Now It Has More Measles Cases Than the Entire U.S. Had in 2024
Is the vaccine itself playing a roll in the surge?
FactCheck: Posts Make Unsupported Claims About Origin of Texas Measles Outbreak
The measles vaccine, which is administered in two doses as part of the measles, mumps and rubella, or MMR, vaccine, is safe and highly effective. To generate robust protection, the vaccine uses a live but weakened version of the measles virus. There’s no evidence that a vaccinated person has ever spread the weakened measles virus to another person.
Despite this, social media posts have incorrectly claimed or suggested that the ongoing measles outbreak in Texas is due to a vaccine strain and that vaccine clinics are the reason why the outbreak has grown.
“‘Texas Measles Outbreak Began in the Vaccinated,’” reads a Feb. 20 X post from the anti-vaccine group Children’s Health Defense, which was shared on Instagram. “Isn’t it odd that in the same area where there was a mass measles vaccination campaign there is now an outbreak?”
“Measles cases in Gaines County, TX, exploded immediately after health officials handed out free measles vaccines — vaccines that contain live measles virus,” a Facebook post stated. “CDC studies show vaccinated children shed measles virus, which can spread to the unvaccinated. Did the vaccine fuel the outbreak?”
Is the vaccine itself playing a roll in the surge?
It would be if enough people would get injected with it. Just, uh, not the roll [sic] he thinks.
For the record, this is what happens when the measles vaccine gets introduced:
26 states?
edit//// only 26 named. looks like 50 rows.
Charts are nice and all, but this is a pretty far cry from an angry social media post written by a paid shill, spread by bots, re-posted by an influencer and showing up on your feed as liked by your ex-girlfriend's slightly racist uncle.
Speaking of charts. My racist uncle's girlfriend sent me another one.
And another one.
Charts are fun.
CNBC: RFK Jr. is a ‘conspiracy theorist’ endangering lives, say analysts at Howard Lutnick’s former firm
“An amateur scientist who doesn’t appreciate the need for difficult public health policy decisions, who struggles with the difference between causality and correlation, and who promotes unproven remedies at the expense of proven ones is not the right person for the job, on our view,” Cantor analysts wrote.
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Pretty much nails the anti-vaxx brain movement in general.
This is the main problem with conspiracy theorists and Joe Rogan for amplifying them:
Listening in disbelief (and horror) as Dr. Suzanne Humphries on Joe Rogan's podcast unravels decades of public health progress in just three hours. This marathon of unchecked misinformation about vaccines, infectious disease, medical research, and public health will require years of careful correction. My colleagues and I have undertaken the exhausting task of crafting a comprehensive response. The mental and emotional toll of meticulously refuting each falsehood is staggering—and we've only begun to address the potential consequences of this single episode. What's particularly troubling is how the principle of free expression has been corrupted to shield dangerous pseudoscience under the veneer of "medical dissent." This isn't brave contrarianism—it's a calculated assault on scientific consensus that endangers vulnerable populations. Perhaps most concerning is how medical credentials are weaponized to manufacture authority. A background in nephrology doesn't qualify someone to rewrite the established science of epidemiology, vaccinology, or immunology- yet millions will trust these claims precisely because of those credentials.
This episode perfectly illustrates Brandolini's Law: the asymmetry of nonsense. Debunking a single misleading claim requires exponentially more effort than making it. Meanwhile, millions absorb these distortions without access to immediate correction. This is reckless beyond words.
Unbiased Science Podacast, hosted by Dr. Jessica Steier and Dr. Sarah Scheinman
If it's BS is should be easy to refute shouldn't it? Why are these people finding it so difficult?
Makes you wonder.
Dr Suzanne Humphries has written a best selling book full of verifiable data. If the data is wrong provide the correct data. Easy game.
CNBC: RFK Jr. is a ‘conspiracy theorist’ endangering lives, say analysts at Howard Lutnick’s former firm“An amateur scientist who doesn’t appreciate the need for difficult public health policy decisions, who struggles with the difference between causality and correlation, and who promotes unproven remedies at the expense of proven ones is not the right person for the job, on ou
So, some analysts from a financial services firm offer an opinion on a topic in which they are totally unqualified to comment on.
Earth shattering news. Stop the presses.
If it's BS is should be easy to refute shouldn't it? Why are these people finding it so difficult?
Makes you wonder.
Dr Suzanne Humphries has written a best selling book full of verifiable data. If the data is wrong provide the correct data. Easy game.
Two separate sourced counters were provided in this thread.
Apparently you didn't even know that?
Therein lies the issue.
You've internalized the nonsense and blatantly ignore the truth. Then make the post above lamenting how easy it should be to expose the truth.
Congratulations on perfectly encapsulating the issue in one tight fully comprehensive example. Wonderful stuff
Sourced counters?
All I've seen on this page are unlinked opinions providing no evidence.
Sourced counters?
All I've seen on this page are unlinked opinions providing no evidence.
No man they are trying to tell you that the "uhhh disease X was disappearing before the vaccine was invented, this proves the vaccine is irrelevant" is a very old debunked trope of antivaccinism, and the data presented by the people who claim that is basically false.
Yes there is an historical downtrend in mortality of basically all diseases because of better overall health, hygiene and so on, that doesn't mean the vaccine doesn't work to do the "last step" in eraadication, which it does for measles and 6-7 other major diseases which we don't even name anymore thanks of the vaccine.
Diphtheria is a disgusting disease we fully eradicated with vaccines for example. Yes OF THE ****ING COURSE it was going down in incidence anyway , because better health levels and diet and hygiene do reduce the impact of most diseaes! but we are talking removing it from the picture completly, forever potentially.
