RFK - Make America Healthy? again?
I believe this guy is going to need his own thread.
hard to answer this given the side who politicized it was uniquely the safetist crazy side, which destroyed public trust in "science" and "healthcare professionals".what leftists in the USA (and even some right-wing people in some other countries) did with COVID was monstrous, and I have to hear it was trump making mistakes and not uniting the country...how can you "unite" a co
trump had the entire country locked down while simultaneously trying to have it the other way and act like he was for being wide open. He wasn't. Sending such mixed messages was just terrible leadership. Very similar games played with the vaccine--trying to mollify anti-vaxxers while all Rs were vaxxed to the gills themselves. Playing games with supplies etc. The daily tv events were completely surreal. And that's just off the top of my head. There's plenty more.
Our grandparent's gen+ dealt with the spanish flu on the heels of ww1. They didn't cry about it for eons they just sucked it up and did it. The boomers are pathetic.
trump had the entire country locked down while simultaneously trying to have it the other way and act like he was for being wide open. He wasn't. Sending such mixed messages was just terrible leadership. Very similar games played with the vaccine--trying to mollify anti-vaxxers while all Rs were vaxxed to the gills themselves. Playing games with supplies etc. The daily tv event
uh? trump like biden had 0 powers to lockdown anything domestically (other than federal buildings and the like), and he didn't lock down anything.
Borders were closed as normal in literature from the countries which had a lot of cases, and that was within trump powers to do.
Fairly insane for you to claim trump had the entire country locked down. Potus has absolutely 0 powers to tell schools, restaurants, gyms and everything else to close. It's entirely a state (or local) power in the USA.
The way the spanish flu was dealt with was with basically no change in daily routines in 90%+ of the places, and some large gathering (outside and inside) banned in some cities. That was it, for a disease which was infinitely more dangerous than covid because it killed a lot of children and young healthy adults.
It was indeed pathetic to do anything for covid, i fully agree with it. Nothing in daily lives for the vast majority of people should have changed, and only some precautions should have been taken inside hospitals and in nursing homes.
But leftists are indeed weak and pathetic
Can you explain why the vaccine is too dangerous to be recommended for everyone, but allowed for people 65 and up - meaning the oldest and weakest?
Can you explain why the vaccine is too dangerous to be recommended for everyone, but allowed for people 65 and up - meaning the oldest and weakest?
I can. It's not dangerous for anyone. Less so than Tylenol, in fact. I recommend ignoring BJ who has been caught misrepresenting data and flat lying countless times on this topic. He has zero medical understanding and an anti-vaccine agenda.
Hope that helped
(I realize you know all of this)
Yeah, just ignore the recent senate hearing with actual medical professionals which introduced mountains of evidence that the shot is dangerous and instead listen to Gorgonian on 2plus2.
He's never wrong about anything.
Can you explain why the vaccine is too dangerous to be recommended for everyone, but allowed for people 65 and up - meaning the oldest and weakest?
Removing the recommendation isn't about the vaccine being "too dangerous".
It's just because the benefits are so small, given the a priori risk you are attempting to reduce is minuscule anyway and the benefits are very temporary if you ever had covid or previous vaccinations already, that it's basically a waste of time and money to vaccinate for most people these days.
For some demographic in some cases it can actually be dangerous (relatively speaking), in the sense of the very rare side effects being worse than the close to 0 risk being reduced . 12-18 boys already vaccinated / infected come to mind for that.
I can. It's not dangerous for anyone. Less so than Tylenol, in fact. I recommend ignoring BJ who has been caught misrepresenting data and flat lying countless times on this topic. He has zero medical understanding and an anti-vaccine agenda.
Hope that helped
(I realize you know all of this)
Paracetamol isn't in fact something people should take "just because", and you should be monitored while taking it, at least according to... check notes.. actual medical advice.
Just as an example it can have very bad effects on liver if taken in combination with alcohol. It can mess up glucose measurement so if you are diabetic you can incur in significant problems.
Saying something is less dangerous than a substance which is currently widely abused without knowledge of the fact that it is, indeed, modestly dangerous and shouldn't be taken carelessly, isn't very comforting.
It might very well be that covid vaccinations are less dangerous than a cycle of paracetamol. That still leaves room for some danger.
Can you explain why the vaccine is too dangerous to be recommended for everyone, but allowed for people 65 and up - meaning the oldest and weakest?
I have both Luciom and BJ on my ignore list, but rest assured, you also should not listen to Luciom on medical topics. He also has zero medical education and suffers from one of the worst cases of Dunning-Kruger effect I've ever seen. Again, I'm sure you know that, too, though.
I have both Luciom and BJ on my ignore list, but rest assured, you also should not listen to Luciom on medical topics. He also has zero medical education and suffers from one of the worst cases of Dunning-Kruger effect I've ever seen. Again, I'm sure you know that, too, though.
you know D-K doesn't replicate right?
I'm assuming most of the hubub here is about RFK's df idea to remove covid recommendations for kids and pregnant people.
This sums it up pretty well:
Kennedy offered no scientific evidence to justify the change to the recommendations.
But experts say the shift will have devastating consequences, particularly for pregnant women and their babies. Both are considered to be at higher risk of severe complications of Covid-19 infections. Studies have found that Covid-19 vaccination reduces the risk of hospitalization for pregnant women and infants younger than 6 months.
“This runs contrary to what we know about the safety as well as the benefits of Covid-19 vaccination for both young children and pregnant women,” said a person familiar with the CDC’s deliberations on its vaccine recommendations, who asked not to be named for fear of retaliation.
Dr. Steven Fleischman, president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, said in a statement Tuesday that “the science has not changed. It is very clear that COVID infection during pregnancy can be catastrophic and lead to major disability, and it can cause devastating consequences for families. The COVID vaccine is safe during pregnancy, and vaccination can protect our patients and their infants.”
“In fact, growing evidence shows just how much vaccination during pregnancy protects the infant after birth, with the vast majority of hospitalized infants less than six months of age – those who are not yet eligible for vaccination – born to unvaccinated mothers,” Fleischman added.
Kennedy’s decision may affect insurance coverage as well as government purchasing of the shots, experts said.
“The outcome of this will be that the Covid-19 vaccines are less affordable and less available,” said Dr. Paul Offit, a pediatrician and director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.
The announcement stands in sharp contrast to what Kennedy has said since becoming HHS secretary. “I always said during my campaign — and every part, every public statement I’ve made — I’m not going to take people’s vaccines away from them,” he told CBS in April. “What I’m going to do is make sure that we have good science so that people can make an informed choice.”
But, Offit said Tuesday, “He lied, because that’s exactly what he’s doing. He’s taking them away.”
As usual, RFK is out of his depth, a lying a-hole, and dangerous to the health and well-being of the country. And dishpits like BJ celebrate.
"LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
If you're gonna ignore someone, just... ignore them. Don't give them the satisfaction.
Classic Gorgonian L.
"LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
If you're gonna ignore someone, just... ignore them. Don't give them the satisfaction.
Classic Gorgonian L.
Get over yourself dumbass, I do what I want.
uh? trump like biden had 0 powers to lockdown anything domestically (other than federal buildings and the like), and he didn't lock down anything.
Who do you think locked down the national borders the tooth fairy? It was trump bud ie the federal govt. It's hilarious you run around the forum trying to act like you know so much and you don't even understand some of the most basic stuff about our govt/country lol
Closing the country to normal travel is definitely under the heading of lockdown restrictions.
Who do you think locked down the national borders the tooth fairy? It was trump bud ie the federal govt. It's hilarious you run around the forum trying to act like you know so much and you don't even understand some of the most basic stuff about our govt/country lol
Closing the country to normal travel is definitely under the heading of lockdown restrictions.
Lol no, in fact for a while it was being said that Australia didn't have to do any lockdowns BECAUSE they closed the border.
And I mentioned the border above.
Lockdowns were the state mandated closures of domestic activities, and bans to do stuff in general for the population in public spaces, and in the USA those powers were entirely in the hand of local and state governments.
Btw in the USA americans were free to leave and re enter as many times as they wanted so even under your definition it was not a lockdown for citizens to close down the border.
Btw in the USA americans were free to leave and re enter as many times as they wanted so even under your definition it was not a lockdown for citizens to close down the border.
Yeah, that's not how I recall it went down, but I guess some scrub in Italy knows better.
You had to be vaccinated to travel, you had to get a negative covid test to travel, and you had to get a negative covid test to reinter the US.
Citizens could travel internationally under these restrictions with a few specific cases of higher scrutiny
You had to be vaccinated to travel, you had to get a negative covid test to travel, and you had to get a negative covid test to reinter the US.
Citizens could travel internationally under these restrictions with a few specific cases of higher scrutiny
Hello? in 2020, under trump.
Wet work is claiming americans couldn't expatriate or re-enter the USA at will in 2020, under trump.
They could with nothing impeding them going in and out as many times as they wanted, yes/no?
