2025 Las Vegas Summer Series - non-WSOP

Yeah of course, because they aren't likely profiting twice the margins on a 2 day and they need more dealers at the beginning of a tournament until it rapidly breaks down.

Much easier to schedule too than needing example 100 dealers and then all of a sudden 4 hours later only 50 dealers needed. Vs a consistent 50 dealers

Post pls

Don't know if it is anywhere else yet but I just found it on twitter
https://x.com/orleanspokerro1

Thanks! Now we just need Golden Nugget and MGM. GN is really late this year.

It's coming! 😉

And we think you'll love it as much as we do!

As a rec player who isn’t pulling in 2 retirement checks, not a big fan of $800 and $1100 30/30 events. Hoping MGM and GN show up with some $400 and $600 One Day events.

In addition to S Points, I also calculate Buy-In/S Points, shows where you’re getting the best value, assuming rake is comparable. Lower is better.

Ex. 1: Aria $600 and 73 S Points is 8.2

Ex. 2: Venetian $800 and 71 S Points is 9.8

Ex. 3: MGM $400 and 73 S Points is 5.5

Ex. 4: Orleans $300 and 81 S Points is 3.7

Jonestown,
Can you explain why you think the Buy-In/S points is of any interest? For me, I think a really low S-point tournament is not worth playing, regardless of how low the buy-in is. And conversely, I'm very interested in playing high S-point tournaments, even if they're on the higher side of my buy-in range. I'm trying to understand why you think there's more value in the Buy-in/S-point ratio, but I'm not seeing it.

If I have to play a Non WSOP event , will go for Orleans for sure .!

The Orleans schedule has a “Triple Triple Draw” event. I’m new to non-HE games. Is Triple Triple Draw the same as 2-7 Triple Draw?

They probably mean three triple draw games. 2-7, A-5 and Badugi.

While this metric may have some meaning to you, if you’re looking for something which determines “value”, I think you should look elsewhere.

Of course, different things are valuable to different people. Some people prefer smaller fields. Some people prefer huge prizepools. A true metric of value would need to take these and other things into consideration.

However, at the end of the day, what a player pays for a tournament is the rake amount (not the percentage). That is how much the tournament costs. The rest of the buy-in is just a wager like any other. So a rake amount per s-points metric would be a better gauge of value.

Interesting, hadn’t thought of that. That stinks, I like 2-7 Triple Draw but don’t care much for Badugi for whatever reason.

Likely just a lower buy-in version of WSOP event 56, which is a triple draw mix (2-7, A-5, Badugi).

There is a lack of 2-day events under $1500 which is a shame. One day events run so long that they mess up the next day and any attempt at a reasonable sleep schedule.

I understand two-day events are less profitable, but it would be interesting for some rooms to experiment e.g.
- have the final table or final 2 tables on day 2 (doesn't require many dealers so they can still run another tourney on that day as well)
- start with 20 minutes levels and then extend to 30 mins at 50% players left, then 40 minutes when in the money, so the event can finish by 2am at the latest while not be a complete crapshoot for the important levels

This is an area where the WSOP itself still shines. Colossus, Salute to Warriors, Deepstack Championship. Those are excellent options if you want a real multi-day tournament below the $1k price point. I'm not such a fan of the 30 minute multi-day tournaments that they do, which play much faster and are more luck-based.

Venetian and Wynn offer many good multi-day events in the $400-800 range during many of the non-WSOP months. During summer, not so much.

I'm holding out hope that the Nugget will come through with a good main event again.

In addition to what others have detailed about this years Aria Classic.....I am super disappointed in the lack of PLO on this years schedule!? When everyone else is slowly adding more and more of the growing game......The so called hub of PLO in vegas (20+ tables of PLO cash going at night during the summer series) goes from 14 PLO tournaments down to 5?! smh

Orleans schedule is odd as **** not having having mixed tourneys be 30 min aside form the 2 that start at 11am.

still a really good schedule for the 240$ or under 300$ pricepoint tho. wish I planned my trip a bit better after looking at the sched

I agree.

To all the people in the thread mentioning price points, and one day tourney’s for nlhe, if you aren’t playing Orleans schedule yearly then it’s wasted breath. I have buddies that grind nlhe tourneys and it’s rare that they aren’t profitable within 6-8 BI’s during summer at Orleans (essentially 1 week).

I don’t remember if they were 30min levels for the mixes last year but going to assume they were. If they changed it then it has to be because of how managers are looking at the numbers (beyond rake). They usually only have to compete with GN so with the market cornered on those games why would they not minimize overhead and tourney length, bust people faster and get em over to the 8/16 O8. They also had repeated levels early in mixes, 100/200 was always repeated in the HORSE variants from what I remember.

They clearly only want the cash action, Orleans has much more Pot Limit tourney action on the schedule than Aria and thats not the usual.

I think the PLO issue is likely the managers and floor realizing that a PL tourney is a hassle as it pertains to obtaining solid tourney dealers that know the game. Anyone with chops will be on a cash table (making more money) and avoid the tourney downs altogether. I’ve noticed playing in Vegas there are also a ton of floor calls correcting mistakes and dealing with table captain players who enjoy berating nlhe tourney dealers for incorrect pot calculations. Mainly because there is little cash PLO action outside of series and its concentrated at 3 casinos and those dealers aren’t dealing a $600 PLO during the summer.

Golden Nugget are releasing the schedule early next week, according to Twitter:

https://x.com/GNLVpoker/status/191330233...

MGM Grand is up:

https://x.com/mgmgrandpoker/status/19144...

First glance- ton of mixed game events- might be why Aria had so few on theirs.

Also a little weird they decided to go with PLO8 as their one “bigger buy-in” non-NL event. PLO8 is getting less popular these days (not more), and it’s not even close to the $1500 WSOP PLO8 on 6/4 for people that travel for it, or $1500 WSOP Big O on 6/7.

Glad to see MGM bringing back all the mix stuff, I hope it takes off.

I was disappointed to see Aria abandon the $400 and $600 price points, but it does seem to make a lot of business sense for MGM to split its properties into low stakes and high stakes options instead of competing against themselves. I may end up playing 1-2 of these despite having some reservations about the venue.

Yeah, would def appreciate if anyone reports back on their impressions of the first few weeks. May still not go if it sounds bad again.