Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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You're completely misreading Saudi's position. If anything, they are taking American line: path to two state then anything goes.
Yeah i agree. I don't think they care if Israel stops this per se but i think they would like to see an ending with a path to 2 states similar to oslo 2.
Vic
Should the US intervene when genocide happens ?
Usually you are against US intervention worldwide in almost any other instance .
Just cutting off the arms pipeline and ceasing to be Israel's lawyer in the UN would be huge steps.
Imagine the pro-Israel side posted Victor-quality videos, lol.
"FAKE"
"AI"
"CAN'T SEE ANYTHING"
'I COULD MAKE YOU THAT IN 5 MINUTES"
You're completely misreading Saudi's position. If anything, they are taking American line: path to two state then anything goes.
The leadership there wants to normalize and is trying to find a path to normalization while still appeasing the diehards in the country.
I don't know what you think here is at odds with anything I've said.
Imagine the pro-Israel side posted Victor-quality videos, lol.
"FAKE"
"AI"
"CAN'T SEE ANYTHING"
'I COULD MAKE YOU THAT IN 5 MINUTES"
you mean the videos from Oct 7 that dont show any murder of children or rape?
I dunno, maybe you're right, but the guy used facts and team hasbara couldn't say anything.
Was he banned for that? Triggered by his pictures? Triggered by his points?
he was essentially banned for using the term "clown world" which is apparently a far right term.
How easy would it be to face the simple truth that you can't keep a people captive forever? And you can't steal their land? And you can't steal their homes? And you can't bomb them off the earth? Everyone knows that all to be true. The rest is disingenuous posting from mala fide accounts.
seems pretty obv
mets and any other Jews in the NYC area, watch out for these guys:
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/patri...
Their website is b l o o d a n d s o i l . c o m
90-150 of them marched with signs saying "No Zionists in Government" and "America is not for sale". They definitely are talking about Jews.
FWIW right wing twitter, including Elon, are saying these are feds and this is a complete false flag op. They are actually challenging the media to investigate who these guys are and prove them wrong, but it has been crickets. They also point out when these guys do their marches the police actually help these guys escape undetected. They physically block anyone trying to follow them.
The one time they were "arrested" the police made sure to keep all their masks on, which everyone said is definitely not what they would do unless it was feds and they were given instructions ahead of time.
Lol, I haven't bothered to click on any of his other videos but I had to check out this one. It looks like a video game where you're bombing ghosts. There would be no way to even know the things targeted were human, much less "unarmed civilians". If this is indeed real war footage, then of course I would guess they were two humans, but you certainly couldn't even guess at an
I am not sure Victor even watches the videos. For whatever reason the algorithm thinks I like to get this kind of stuff (probably because I have clicked on enough of Victor's links) so I get the same videos he does. He pretty much just links the pro Hamas propaganda videos with really high engagement and parrots whatever narrative has been constructed. It is not obvious he even watches the videos himself.
your theory is that those are Hamas militants just walking along the middle of the road? that is what you are going with?
FWIW right wing twitter, including Elon, are saying these are feds and this is a complete false flag op.
Mets, are you starting to reconsider whether this guy Dunyain is really your ally?
FWIW right wing twitter, including Elon, are saying these are feds and this is a complete false flag op. They are actually challenging the media to investigate who these guys are and prove them wrong, but it has been crickets. They also point out when these guys do their marches the police actually help these guys escape undetected. They physically block anyone trying to fo
Every political group, at least those that are not totally mainstream, has some police in it. Of course there are cops in every Antifa or Communist group. And of course there are some cops in this group. Elon is a ****ing idiot.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world...
According to a two-month investigation by the New York Times using video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, the Times identified at least seven locations where sexual assaults and mutilations of Israeli women and underage girls were carried out. It concluded that these were not isolated events but part of a broader pattern in which Hamas "weaponized sexual violence" during the attacks.
Mets, are you starting to reconsider whether this guy Dunyain is really your ally?
I'm not having dinner with him lol
But there's like 100 people here shitting on israel and like 4 defending them
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world...According to a two-month investigation by the New York Times using video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, the Times identified at least seven locations where sexual assaults and mutilations of Israeli women and underage gi
No there's a guy on twitter with 80k followers that rebuked it yo
I'm not having dinner with him lol
But there's like 100 people here shitting on israel and like 4 defending them
And everyone said we could never grow the number of posters in this forum 😀😉
Can't see the NYT article bc its behind a paywall. But the number of twitter followers doest have any connection to credibility does it? The NYT has 55 million
They will not demand a Muslim force to be in charge of Gaza. They will not even demand an Israeli withdrawal. And they will absolutely not want to be part of the forces occupying Gaza.
They'll protest an Israeli occupation but they will not stop talking to Israel even if Israel occupies Gaza post WWII American style in Japan.
The Saudi government, through action if not words, has treated Israel as an ally and trade partner for at least 20 years, arguably longer.
Can't see the NYT article bc its behind a paywall. But the number of twitter followers doest have any connection to credibility does it? The NYT has 55 million
I'm sorry for the sarcasm, i was predicting replies. Forgive me
Can't see the NYT article bc its behind a paywall. But the number of twitter followers doest have any connection to credibility does it? The NYT has 55 million
you can read it here https://archive.is/xylSB
this is probably the most comprehensive takedown
but if you dont have that much time, you can read many rebuttals.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali...
I didn't click show post. That's victor debunking the nyt story with a twitter account right?
Ok clicked
YouTube and electronicintifada of course
the electronic intifada is here to inform us that the thousands of young men who were sent out on their mission to kill as many civilians as possible would never commit an ungentlemanly act
I didn't realize the Hamas tunnel system is Gaza is TWICE the length of the London subway system. That's impressive. So in 17 years, they've built the single most elaborate and massive human shield system known to man. Truly impressive and diabolical.
The entire Hamas strategy, and I mean their only play, is:
1) dig
2) manufacture and launch missiles, take hostages
3) put all of Gaza between you and the tunnels. Literally that's what this is. An entire innocent society lives above them
4) add the hostages as a final ring of human shields
And then you make the Israelis determine an equation like:
(Israeli soldiers lost) + (Israeli hostages lost) + (civilian catastrophe) + (Israeli politicians being politicians) = where will Israel break off their fighting
You also make Israel decide if they can even play the hostage swap game. If you concede, you turn all future hostages into the most valuable thing Hamas can get their hands on. Now that becomes the weapon of choice.
Khan Yunis is either the last great battle and they go for it and call the Hamas bluff (and the hostages surely die). Or we see what sort of political wizardry someone dreams up.
the electronic intifada is here to inform us that the thousands of young men who were sent out on their mission to kill as many civilians as possible would never commit an ungentlemanly act
that wasnt their mission
