Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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oh, yes
*kill as many civilians as possible and, additionally, take as many civilian hostages as possible
kill soldiers and take hostages.
at this point it is blatantly obv that Israel killed most of the civilians.
Just cutting off the arms pipeline and ceasing to be Israel's lawyer in the UN would be huge steps.
well that should have be done like 30 years ago when bibi took office the first time....
about the arms i dont think it would be hard for israel to buy somewhere else which that somewhere else would had bought those same US weapons previously.
i might be wrong tho.
well that should have be done like 30 years ago when bibi took office the first time....
about the arms i dont think it would be hard for israel to buy somewhere else which that somewhere else would had bought those same US weapons previously.
i might be wrong tho.
The us abstained rather than veto i belie several times under obama iirc
I didn't realize the Hamas tunnel system is Gaza is TWICE the length of the London subway system. That's impressive. So in 17 years, they've built the single most elaborate and massive human shield system known to man. Truly impressive and diabolical.
I don't pretend to even begin to understand the complexities of the issue beyond the superficial narratives, but that seems like an incredible waste of effort and resources for a people in their spot. There comes a point where the cost of vengeance isn't worth its benefit, especially when you're wasting all your effort to further a 'multi generational grievance' and just not, like, working to better your own lives.
Acknowledging its totally complex, there may be oppression dynamics going on, etc, etc, etc, still can't help but believe that Israel would snap-call any offer where they just stopped building that terrorist **** and worked cooperatively to improve their living conditions.
I would be OK if all parties were fully defunded by the US until they learned how to get along.
I don't pretend to even begin to understand the complexities of the issue beyond the superficial narratives, but that seems like an incredible waste of effort and resources for a people in their spot. There comes a point where the cost of vengeance isn't worth its benefit, especially when you're wasting all your effort to further a 'multi generational grievance' and just not, l
nope. but I understand your sentiment. it really is inconceivable esp when only casually hearing mainstream headlines
but construction in Gaza is strictly controlled by Israel. and Israel routinely destroys infrastructure.
further there are numerous reports, even from the mouths of higher ups, of the Israelis propping up Hamas as a way to divide Palestinians, weaken other internal groups, and maintain a tight grip in the name of "terrorism".
I don't pretend to even begin to understand the complexities of the issue beyond the superficial narratives, but that seems like an incredible waste of effort and resources for a people in their spot. There comes a point where the cost of vengeance isn't worth its benefit, especially when you're wasting all your effort to further a 'multi generational grievance' and just not, l
Hamas leadership is basically of two types of people:
1. The type that's becoming actual billionaires living the high life in Doha/Istanbul/wherever they happen to be
2. The type that's drunk so much kool-aid they are actually happy to die as martyrs in Gaza
Neither group is interested in stopping their terrorist activities. 1 is being paid to continue. 2 is trying to kill as many Israelis as possible.
Most of the Israeli's (that are old enough) are parents, and most of the Palestinians (and millions of other Muslims) who support Hamas are parents too.
So it is not like being a parent gives anyone any particular empathy for the enemy. If anything, it is the opposite.
This just seems like a personal cheap shot, with no argument or insight.
I won’t pretend it wasn’t. It was in response to this personal cheap shot that somehow was not deleted. If Mets can say wildly out of line things about other posters children then I can point out that he doesn’t have any.
I don't pretend to even begin to understand the complexities of the issue beyond the superficial narratives, but that seems like an incredible waste of effort and resources for a people in their spot. There comes a point where the cost of vengeance isn't worth its benefit, especially when you're wasting all your effort to further a 'multi generational grievance' and just not, l
Cut off Israel funding so terrorists can blow them up?
US aid to Israel is like 12% of their military budget and it comes with constraints about having to buy USA made stuff. If they didn't get that aid, they'd just buy more stuff from China and they'd also develop more stuff on their own to sell to China.
FWIW right wing twitter, including Elon, are saying these are feds and this is a complete false flag op. They are actually challenging the media to investigate who these guys are and prove them wrong, but it has been crickets. They also point out when these guys do their marches the police actually help these guys escape undetected. They physically block anyone trying to fo
You really think the feds are going to go through all that work to make some anti sematic protest with the help of local police so they don't get caught for...reasons?
Hamas leadership is basically of two types of people:1. The type that's becoming actual billionaires living the high life in Doha/Istanbul/wherever they happen to be2. The type that's drunk so much kool-aid they are actually happy to die as martyrs in GazaNeither group is interested in stopping their terrorist activities. 1 is being paid to continue. 2 is trying to kill as many
lol lol lol
bro its like scientology. the money is up top and the rest are just stupid footsoldiers. like it is in any war btw, by proxy or not.
but there are exceptions, osama was a billionaire and he was seriously pissed off at something. maybe you guys can enlighten us why he was?
I've seen them wear khakis for as long as I've been an adult. Not sure why you're finding it odd. I also don't think they find rallies and protests to be their thing - more of just bitching back and forth on stormfront, or occasionally a throw away account in this thread.
nope. but I understand your sentiment. it really is inconceivable esp when only casually hearing mainstream headlines but construction in Gaza is strictly controlled by Israel. and Israel routinely destroys infrastructure. further there are numerous reports, even from the mouths of higher ups, of the Israelis propping up Hamas as a way to divide Palestinians, weaken other
bro are you taking any drugs when posting? asking for a friend.
You really think the feds are going to go through all that work to make some anti sematic protest with the help of local police so they don't get caught for...reasons?
The feds are in the group (and every other group they consider radical) undercover encouraging people to plan and do violent acts so they can make a big bust for serious charges. They don't want their cover blown if the only charge they can make stick is holding a parade without a permit.
Elon et al are still idiots. In that group of 150 people there are a few cops of some flavor. Most of them are just run of the mill Christian Supremacists.
You really think the feds are going to go through all that work to make some anti sematic protest with the help of local police so they don't get caught for...reasons?
He doesn't really believe that, he's just posting in transparent bad faith.
FWIW right wing twitter, including Elon, are saying these are feds and this is a complete false flag op. They are actually challenging the media to investigate who these guys are and prove them wrong, but it has been crickets. They also point out when these guys do their marches the police actually help these guys escape undetected. They physically block anyone trying to fo
"construction in Gaza is strictly controlled by Israel."
Also
"Hamas just built a tunnel system twice the size of the London Subway"
Both of these cannot be true
"construction in Gaza is strictly controlled by Israel."
Also
"Hamas just built a tunnel system twice the size of the London Subway"
Both of these cannot be true
I'm pretty sure he said Israel built the tunnels before they left in 05
your theory is that those are Hamas militants just walking along the middle of the road? that is what you are going with?
My theory is that video shows absolutely nothing identifiable as a person or an attack, any more than a grainy 1977 video of a Space Invaders video game would be considered evidence of an alien attack.
"construction in Gaza is strictly controlled by Israel."
Also
"Hamas just built a tunnel system twice the size of the London Subway"
Both of these cannot be true
Israel blockades almost all building materials.
I guess I don't know the definition of "destroyed" when applied to tanks. I would have thought anyone inside a destroyed tank would definitely already be dead, but I also don't know why anyone would want to "rescue" a destroyed tank. Can you (or anyone) briefly explain?
