Israel/Palestine thread

Hey Victor,

Can you give me a ELI5 on this whole Gaza mess? I pretty much don't pay attention to world news but its hard to avoid completely. When I try to formulate even a slight opinion on a world matter I generally just fade whatever the mainstream news tells me. So with the two biggest events going on right now my stance is

1) Israel, as a nation, is shady AF.
2) Russia, as a nation, probably isn't as evil as we are led to believe.

Am I far off on either?

In before microbet says,"still more reliable than the ny post!

The post report you submitted was the proper channel. This post added nothing to the process and didn't cause the mods to be aware of it any quicker.

That's not true and I think you know it. Particularly LOL is the notion that I care enough about you or your opinion to want to ban you out of spite.

Dunyain has been temp banned. While hyperbole and exaggeration are a part of making political points even that has limits.

out of 30k employees they got 12 names after torturing half of Gaza. now the USA and Israel is going to intensify the genocide by keeping aid from a starving population.

on the exact day that the ICJ ruled there was plausible evidence of genocide. not a coincidence at all. #genocideJoe

time is a flat circle. of Israeli atrocities and lies.

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to be 100% honest, Italy moved after the USA explicitly, using USA actions as the trigger

You're good!

All of it is quite true, but I'm grateful that you've finally come around to realizing I was correct about Kelhus.

I’m curious about your opinion about how to best deal with the commoditization and rape of women in the absence of patriarchal institutions.

Barely following this thread lately, and I don't know who was called unreliable, but sure, I'll oblige.

Still more reliable than the ny post!

Are you suggesting fundamentalist Islamic society doesn't have patriarchal institutions?

If you want to look for a society on the low end of patriarchal institutions look at Rojava. They have thorough rules protecting not just the civil rights of women, but in their actually having power. Of course nowhere is perfect, but I don't think the commoditization and rape of women is as bad there as most places.

Microbet,

No , I think aorn are not most islamic countries the most patriarchal in the world? No, I think the entire world is patriarchal and was basically asking in the absence of that patriarchy how should we raise young men? My question did not have to do with any particular religion or one group of men but was about the mentioned 4000 years of wars and battles ending in rape. I have my own theories but crossnerd knows more about it than I do.

Also ,

I remember you telling me something about Rojava before. I remember understanding what you meant but not on the right level, I think people use the word grok here? I know you know a lot about geopolitics and you see some deeper significance in rojava that I don’t “grok”. I will look into it sometime when i’m bored.

I just heard about the relief organization accusations and funding pull on NPR. They are afraid they will have to cease operations very soon if the US and European countries don't continue to fund them.

Why aren't the rich gulf Arab states offering funds?

lol they decided to starve 10s of thousands bc some random guy said mean things

maybe look at all the Israeli telegram channels and tiktok channels. oh wait, its ok for them.

Why should they be on the hook for this?

Up to 80% of tunnels still intact according to US, Israel.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-israel-...

That's beyond pathetic. Imagine supporting this with a straight face

They are afraid of booby traps and killing the hostages. But i still doubt the number is that low

Because they never do that's why unwra exists

damn they were getting a ton of money. no wonder those tunnels are so extensive

Yep. They aren't able to attack the tunnels without huge loss of life. So instead they just take it out on civilians bc the Israeli Army and leadership have been indoctrinated to hate.

Hey there's something we've not done in this thread that might be helpful to me.

As background for this exercise, I think it's essentially irrefutable that Jews, historically, are among the most persecuted people on earth. You can make a case for them holding the #1 spot over thousands of years, but I don't care to argue that point. Let's call it top 3 and save the pointless bickering.

So now, pretend like I'm 8 years old, and explain to me why a Jewish state is a bad thing. But when you do, I need you to explain:

1) Why so many Muslim states are ok
2) Why you don't spend one minute on any of the Muslim states, assuming they're not ok to you
3) Why you would have an issue with a Jewish state whose aim is to protect one of the most persecuted peoples of all time

Really dumb it down for me, but help me be convinced. And anyone but Victor btw. Victor you can pass on this.