Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Starving Gazans are now sneaking out of the rubble at night to eat grass.
Do the Israel supporters here have any red lines at all?
Starving Gazans are now sneaking out of the rubble at night to eat grass.
Do the Israel supporters here have any red lines at all?
I am ok with blue helmets from the UN distributing aid to Palestinians, and I am actually willing to pay my share of those costs as a western taxpayer.
Would that be enough with you?
Which moderates do you have in mind? You mean moderates vs Jews or moderates in the sense we mean in the west?Who is in favour of legalizing homosexuality in Palestine? Because maybe Yoh don't know but having anal sex as a man with another man is still a crime in Palestine.Do you realize absolute majorities of Palestinians are in favour of horrific legal dispositions against ho
You've tabled your cards as a Jewish supremecist. It's good that you're open about it, but the answer to a question like this from any non Jewish supremacist is basically going to be "I'm not a Jewish supremacist."
Islamists have done horrible attacks in the UK, Spain, France, The US. Black nationalists and white nationalists have both done attacks in the US, etc.
It happens. If you think one Jewish life is worth a thousand or more gentile lives, then you have your answer. Genocide anyone who poses the slightest threat.
Most people don't think that.
It's pretty unlikely that gentiles will come around to seeing themselves as worthless compared to Jews and agree to policies based on that premise.
For the rest of us, these attacks are horrible crimes, like serial murders or child porn or whatever. You try to prevent it. You try to catch people who do it. But, if you want a free and just society, it's gonna happen.
Like, we could eliminate most sex crimes with castration of all men. But it's not worth it. That doesn't mean one is in favor of rape, but that there are limits to how you combat it.
Do you agree or not with the idea that foreign powers are financing the most extremist elements of Palestinians society to maximize the damage they can inflict to the state of Israel and basically own a controller to decide when and if tensions go to the max?
I guess my answer would be agree? I thought that was basically a well known fact
The intent is to destabilize the enemy. Figure every country is doing that everywhere in some way, shape, or form
Doesn't mean the US can't bear out a success story like Japan or South Korea...
None of what is happening now is going to normalize relations. Feels like it's simply going to make things worse
I guess my answer would be agree? I thought that was basically a well known factThe intent is to destabilize the enemy. Figure every country is doing that everywhere in some way, shape, or formDoesn't mean the US can't bear out a success story like Japan or South Korea...None of what is happening now is going to normalize relations. Feels like it's simply going to make things w
If you agree Iran (and perhaps Qatar and others) are financing terrorism among Palestinians, why do you think "moderates" will be able to avoid that from happening again?
Aren't we in a position where we need external control of the area for at least a generation?
Basically my take is that no one of Palestinian ancestry should wield any power in Gaza until at the very least 2050.
They are a failed people ruling over a failed proto-state and someone else should be in charge until we can hope time will create a new generation of leaders capable of cutting all ties with their horrific past.
That, if you want to minimize chances of Jews being assassinated by terrorists in their home country
The moderates who gave up the gun and recognized the Jewish state -- the PLO.
In return they got hundreds of thousands of new settlers, raids on their homes, and killing of their children.
I've never heard the plo called moderates before
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/m...
The true story of Camp David was that for the first time in the history of the conflict the American president put on the table a proposal, based on UN Security Council resolutions 242 and 338, very close to the Palestinian demands, and Arafat refused even to accept it as a basis for negotiations, walked out of the room, and deliberately turned to terrorism."
Clinton was speaking of the two-week-long Camp David conference in July 2000 which he had organised and mediated and its failure, and the eruption at the end of September of the Palestinian intifada which has continued since. Halfway through the conference, apparently on July 18, Clinton had "slowly" - to avoid misunderstanding - read out to Arafat a document, endorsed in advance by Barak, outlining the main points of a future settlement. The proposals included the establishment of a demilitarised Palestinian state on some 92% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip, with some territorial compensation for the Palestinians from pre-1967 Israeli territory; the dismantling of most of the settlements and the concentration of the bulk of the settlers inside the 8% of the West Bank to be annexed by Israel; the establishment of the Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem, in which some Arab neighborhoods would become sovereign Palestinian territory and others would enjoy "functional autonomy"; Palestinian sovereignty over half the Old City of Jerusalem (the Muslim and Christian quarters) and "custodianship," though not sovereignty, over the Temple Mount; a return of refugees to the prospective Palestinian state though with no "right of return" to Israel proper; and the organisation by the international community of a massive aid programme to facilitate the refugees' rehabilitation.
Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe." A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.-
The plo was moderate?
Ye and there actually is, and is defended by western blood and gold, we owe them that much.
Did you read what happened to the uss liberty?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/m...The true story of Camp David was that for the first time in the history of the conflict the American president put on the table a proposal, based on UN Security Council resolutions 242 and 338, very close to the Palestinian demands, and Arafat refused even to accept it as a basis for negotiations, walked out of the room, and
The PLO wasn't offered a state or an end of the occupation, or recognition from Israel, yet they still gave up the gun. What more did you want?
What are the dates of the quotes you offer, that's crucial. They are pre-Oslo, no?
I mean man, here we are listening to all the arguments...
PLO is moderate and Iran is a friend of Israel
Would you consider yourself a moderate? (or close)
I deleted a bunch of posts itt that either were mod related or were critiquing/attacking other posters rather than rebutting arguments. See my detailed remarks in the mod thread.
Please do not comment on the deletions in this thread.
The proper strategy is to find anyone on either side who is even partially responsible for children dying and when they are alone torture them. If there are things that you can do that make them think they can't go to heaven do that also.
Throw acid in their faces, amirite?
Well one side is one of the most important allies of the west, other than being a group of people persecuted for 2k years by everyone else while they gave to humanity proportionally more than any other human group by a very large margin (Jewish contributions to science are unparalleled).
... You can learn a lot just reading without commenting. I've been reading through the last 50 pages or so and you see stuff like this and you appreciate people for showing their true colors and biases.
True supremacist.
This is a complicated topic and there are no easy solutions but what netenyahu and Israel are doing right now is just flat out wrong.
See something? Say something as we like to say. Who is the true terrorist ?
I'm guessing DS is making an oblique reference to the nobel lie. The 'torture when alone' for those responsible for killing children is hell (or belief in hell).
Exactly whose deaths do you find funny?
