Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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sentence one of paragraph one of the article you linked
A new U.S. intelligence assessment found it is likely that some employees of a United Nations agency that distributes aid to Palestinians took part in Hamas’s Oct. 7 assault on Israel.
case closed, goodbye UNRWA
Deny rape on October 7Deny hamas blowing up their own hospitalDeny UNRWA participated on October 7Deny the word of any "Gentleman or Israeli" (i can't believe thats an actual quoteBelieve anything Hamas saysBelieve all Israelis are evilJustify the heinous crimes hamas does commit as resistance to the illegal occupationhave people try to defend your words by saying that's not w
bolded is interesting bc I just came across this
https://forensic-architecture.org/invest...
Palestinians have right to ‘armed struggle’ against Israel, China tells ICJ
china says it, it must be true!!!
we have about 2 1/2 weeks until ramadan. i expect there to be a ceasefire with a big hostage deal before then, but israel is insisting on the remaining women first and hamas is allegedly hesistant. might be because they were raped and or are dead? shrug
yom kippur war was launched during ramadan, so nobody can say ramadan is off limits. i think its bad optics for hamas to not reach a ceasefire during ramadan though, so i do think a deal will be made
The overall assessment by those analysts was still that UNRWA workers participated in the terrorist attack.
"Low confidence" is explained in the next two paragraphs:
A low-confidence assessment indicates that the U.S. intelligence community believes the claims are plausible but cannot make a stronger assertion because it doesn’t have its own independent confirmation. The U.S. concluded the claims are “credible,” a U.S. official said.
U.S. officials said that American spy agencies haven’t traditionally focused on gathering intelligence on Gaza, and that Israel hadn’t shared the raw intelligence behind its assessments with the U.S., limiting their ability to reach clearer conclusions.
according to an intelligent assessment from a hostile group, they found that is it is plausible that a handful of workers participated.
further, there is no indication that 10% of UNRWA is affiliated with Hamas.
and further they mention the bias from Israel.
do you think that makes it appropriate to shut the whole thing down?
So the whole UNRWA thing was based on claims that the Israeli military can't back up? Amazing.
sadly the fact that UNRWA workers participated in the attack means that the UNRWA has to go
i hope it can be replaced quickly by an agency which does not have ties to terrorist organisations
I don't get the criticism of UNRWA. It has thousands of employees. Of course some were Hamas. They need day jobs.
Is there any suggestion that UNRWA has taken policy steps to aid Hamas? I've yet to hear of any. Did Hamas members affect a decision?
I think the Israelis are just trying to starve Gazans.
sadly the fact that UNRWA workers participated in the attack means that the UNRWA has to go
i hope it can be replaced quickly by an agency which does not have ties to terrorist organisations
Now you're just trolling
I don't get the criticism of UNRWA. It has thousands of employees. Of course some were Hamas. They need day jobs.
Is there any suggestion that UNRWA has taken policy steps to aid Hamas? I've yet to hear of any. Did Hamas members affect a decision?
I think the Israelis are just trying to starve Gazans.
the problem is that a large number of members of the organisation spent oct 7 raping and murdering civilians
does that clear it up
the problem is that a large number of members of the organisation spent oct 7 raping and murdering civilians
Name one.
It's not genocide if you take care to target Hamas and only kill civilians when Hamas used them as human shields
According to what definition? Please show me where you found a list of actions that are identified as not part of genocide. Or did you make this up?
Deny rape on October 7Deny hamas blowing up their own hospitalDeny UNRWA participated on October 7Deny the word of any "Gentleman or Israeli" (i can't believe thats an actual quoteBelieve anything Hamas saysBelieve all Israelis are evilJustify the heinous crimes hamas does commit as resistance to the illegal occupationhave people try to defend your words by saying that's not w
Do you believe other posters said these things or are you lying or are you being delusional. Because these things were not uttered by anyone in this thread, besides you
sadly the fact that UNRWA workers participated in the attack means that the UNRWA has to go
i hope it can be replaced quickly by an agency which does not have ties to terrorist organisations
Do the organizations that Israelis work for (and then harm Palestinians) get shut down?
Seems to be a very one sided conflict. Rules for thee and not for me
the problem is that a large number of members of the organisation spent oct 7 raping and murdering civilians
does that clear it up
somehow we went from a handful plausibly participated to a large number did rape and murder.
I dont think you have the best grasp on the details here bruv.
So the whole UNRWA thing was based on claims that the Israeli military can't back up? Amazing.
yes all the european countries whose intelligence agreed with the report must be dumb?
come on man
Your post history says otherwise. Please quote where you said that.
I don't get the criticism of UNRWA. It has thousands of employees. Of course some were Hamas. They need day jobs.
Is there any suggestion that UNRWA has taken policy steps to aid Hamas? I've yet to hear of any. Did Hamas members affect a decision?
I think the Israelis are just trying to starve Gazans.
that's a fair point
the bigger issue is they were working at the unrwa hospital which makes all of the unrwa claims of "THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY HAMAS WORKING USING OUR HOSPITALS AS BASES" very unreliable
but i agree that it doesnt mean unrwa as a whole is necesarily bad. but they need better oversight for sure
US intelligence (always an honest broker) isn't even backing up the IDF on this one. It's absurdly weak tea, but you guys are so desperate for any kind of validation right now.
I don't get the criticism of UNRWA. It has thousands of employees. Of course some were Hamas. They need day jobs.
For good or bad, this is correct. UNRWA has a lot of employees. There was a lot of terrorist who participated in the invasion. There is going to be some overlap.
Layered on top of the fact that it is just statistically likely some UNRWA employee participated in the invasion, is the fact that the way Gaza society operates it is pretty much inevitable UNRWA employees are going to be sympathetic to Hamas.
Hamas gets rid of everyone that isn't sympathetic to them, which is one of the reasons they have been able to stay in power so long despite being so horrible at their job. It is also one of the reasons there is no journalism in Gaza. It is all just pro Hamas propaganda. Any real journalist would be removed (likely violently) immediately. It is known that Hamas even puts a lot of pressure on Imams to tow the party line, and the ones that dont just disappear.
Obviously UNRWA being sympathetic to Hamas is a big problem, but not one there is an easy solution for as long as Hamas is around. Hamas isn't going to turn over a leaf and start allowing actual neutral parties to operate.
I mean there is a lot of room to quibble over the definition of the word "affiliated," but I would guess that is a low number. I would say it is pretty much inevitable in a theocratic totalitarian state like Gaza greater than 10% of pretty much everyone, including aid workers, health care workers, social workers, journalists, etc. is going to be affiliated with Hamas. If they weren't, Hamas wouldn't allow them to operate.
