Israel/Palestine thread
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I tend to think the whole Port thing was just a blatant lie ahead of the State of the Union to try to make Biden look like he is doing something.
but this is a possibility too
regardless, massive lols to any naive person who thinks this will help the Gazans get food and aid.
Countries are coming together to build a port for food aid to Gaza (and to help Biden in Michigan). Is any more evidence needed that Israel is intentionally starving Gazan children? Or any more evidence of Biden's corruption, since he could simply threaten to withhold ammo and compel Israel to let in the (more efficient) trucks?
Countries are coming together to build a port for food aid to Gaza (and to help Biden in Michigan). Is any more evidence needed that Israel is intentionally starving Gazan children? Or any more evidence of Biden's corruption, since he could simply threaten to withhold ammo and compel Israel to let in the (more efficient) trucks?
No it's evidence it's hard to distribute help in northern gaza.
You can blame israel for that, other people blame hamas for that.
Sure if the only thing that mattered was getting aid in, with no regards as to eliminating hamas or avoiding hamas stealing it like it always do and rebuild it's capacity for acts of terror on Israel soil, Biden could act otherwise.
Countries are coming together to build a port for food aid to Gaza (and to help Biden in Michigan). Is any more evidence needed that Israel is intentionally starving Gazan children? Or any more evidence of Biden's corruption, since he could simply threaten to withhold ammo and compel Israel to let in the (more efficient) trucks?
When the west sends aid it's corrupt. Unbelievable.
Countries are coming together to build a port for food aid to Gaza (and to help Biden in Michigan). Is any more evidence needed that Israel is intentionally starving Gazan children? Or any more evidence of Biden's corruption, since he could simply threaten to withhold ammo and compel Israel to let in the (more efficient) trucks?
I know you support Hamas and Jihad in pursuit of Palestinians reconquering Israel, so this is antithetical to your own interests. But trucks coming in through Egypt are also how Hamas will resupply, start the next war sometime down the line, and force us to do this all over again. The port seems like an idea to try to rebuild Gaza without it becoming exactly what it was before.
But yeah, given the number of people who will be completely reliant on aid for the foreseeable future, and the large number of bad actors in Palestinian society like Hamas who will work to undermine the effort, hard to envision how this is actually going to work.
so CBS says the airdrops killed 5 people today including children.
airdrops, not bombs.
as I predicted, this ghoulish PR stunt was never going to work and would only cause more misery. people ask me how I am always right about this stuff. its pretty simple. America bad is undefeated.
Countries are coming together to build a port for food aid to Gaza (and to help Biden in Michigan). Is any more evidence needed that Israel is intentionally starving Gazan children? Or any more evidence of Biden's corruption, since he could simply threaten to withhold ammo and compel Israel to let in the (more efficient) trucks?
I think you and some others here really overestimate the influence Biden has over what Israel does.
If the US stopped all military exports to Israel, I still don't think that would cause them to immediately cease trying to get rid of Hamas in Gaza.
There are other countries they could turn to for ammunition, or they could decide to start using their nukes.
I think you and some others here really overestimate the influence Biden has over what Israel does.
If the US stopped all military exports to Israel, I still don't think that would cause them to immediately cease trying to get rid of Hamas in Gaza.
There are other countries they could turn to for ammunition, or they could decide to start using their nukes.
I don't think so given veto powers in the UN having been used very few days ago by the Biden admin to avoid enormous problems for Israel.
It's not only about weapons, not even mainly that.
Lucio's really going to flip his **** if he ever discovers what the eugenics crowd thought about Italians.
I am not sure if it's the same crowd but I have seen the depictions of Italians as rats by anti immigration activists in late 19th century in the USA.
I still think the main source of hatred toward us was anticatholicism (like for the Irish) but it doesn't matter much I guess.
I don't think so given veto powers in the UN having been used very few days ago by the Biden admin to avoid enormous problems for Israel.
It's not only about weapons, not even mainly that.
I don't know exactly what problems you're referring to, but I was responding to Bill saying Biden could threaten to withhold ammunition.
I think you and some others here really overestimate the influence Biden has over what Israel does.
If the US stopped all military exports to Israel, I still don't think that would cause them to immediately cease trying to get rid of Hamas in Gaza.
There are other countries they could turn to for ammunition, or they could decide to start using their nukes.
They could just cease all restraint on the use of dumb weapons.
Yeah, the pro Palestinian crowd has this idea that Palestinians (and more generally the Arab/Muslim world) actually wants peace, and that if weaken Israel enough this will result in peace. And clearly this is a very dangerous, misinformed delusion that will invariably result in exponentially more deaths for both sides if ever tested.
I honestly think if Israel ceased all restraint and just leveled Gaza and West Bank and annexed the ruins and remaining survivors, fewer Israelis would die. They'd be ostracized for a while but the world will move on.
Yeah, the pro Palestinian crowd has this idea that Palestinians (and more generally the Arab/Muslim world) actually wants peace, and that if weaken Israel enough this will result in peace. And clearly this is a very dangerous, misinformed delusion that will invariably result in exponentially more deaths for both sides if ever tested.
I think Egypt wants peace tbh, at least the secular/military establishment does.
Northern Africans in general seem to be fairly supportive of actual peace (again, the leaders/elites at least).
But I don't think even the most ardent pro Hamas people believe Iran wants peace
