"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread
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Poker was going ok for the few sessions I put in before Vegas. But I think casino players here are just bad or I was running good.
Vegas, I dumped 2.5 BIs but not counting 1 because it was KK < AA aipf. Beyond that, I mixed in some bad river calls and had some bad board runouts in 3! pots where I shut down. Mostly bleeding money. I think I got too caught up in trying to determine boards that were good/bad for my/my opponents range that led to bad play. Missapplied concepts that I don't fully understand yet.
My postflop skills are completely lacking, and I find myself lost a lot on later streets. My c-betting and barreling strategies, if they can be called that, leave a lot to be desired.
Moving forward, I'm going to focus on keeping it simple stupid. Make sure I'm playing the correct ranges from the correct positions, focus on proper bet sizing, and go for value when I have it.
I also need to work on my mental game. Doesn't seem to matter how much money I have. Losing even small amounts pisses me off. I dropped $3k between super cars and wagyu at CUT, didnt bat an eye. But I'm still pissed off about the $100 river call I made with 2nd nut flush on a paired board.
Only place to go is up.
I think I got too caught up in trying to determine boards that were good/bad for my/my opponents range that led to bad play. Missapplied concepts that I don't fully understand yet.
i think the likelihood that your opponents didn't understand that general concept and thus refused to play along with it was the bigger factor than you not understanding it
mp limps 77, I open with KQs, he flats
he checks AJ8 board and calls cbet not thinking about whether or not it favors my range or his, he just made up his mind that I'm bluffing and is going to call down 3 streets with an underpaid because 77 is a good hand preflop and he will really struggle to divorce himself from that thought
if i continue to barrel, he's unlikely to change his mind despite that the board highly favors the exact sort of hand that's in my range
he's not smart enough to realize he's rarely ahead
he made a snap judgement that I don't have it and he's sticking with it so I'm going to represent my range and induce a fold from a terrible hand that still beats me but instead just meekly check back turn and river and hope to catch a K,Q, or T for free
I'll instead wait until i have actual value and then scoop a much larger pot vs his 77
Nice post, Rick. I think you're correct. APD said something similar to me and recommended I simplify things.
Is the correct adjustment literally to just wait until I have it and then bet for fat value while not paying them off when I get raised?
Funnily enough, in Ed Miller's The Course, he doesn't even broach the topics of ranges, barreling, and c-betting until the 2-5 section. Everything in the 1/2 and 1/3 section is about our own hand value, thinking through what worse hands will call, and bet/folding.
I didn't want to get run over playing fit/fold, but maybe it really is that simple at these stakes.
Bet Bet Shove you pussy
in my experience, if i'm cbet bluffing and it doesn't get through, i shut it down unless my hand really improves
I've seen an amazing amount of regulars calls down three streets in multiway pots with a KQJT3 board with a hand like QJ or 89 - they are so incredibly easily beaten but they struggle to account for relative value and can't fold because "i have two pair" or "I have a straight" and none factor in how likely it is someone has a naked ace and has the nuts since there are 3 players in the pot
the biggest eye opening adjustment I've had to make coming to American low stakes is basically never bluff on the turn or river unless i can first give the guy credit for being able to lay down top pair on a wet board
the biggest observation I've noticed in differences in player mindsets is in a 50/100 hkd game (about $6/$12) is where villain holds QJ on AAQ84 board they announce they have a pair of queens at showdown
in america, they always say "I got two pair" because they are more concerned with absolute hand value than relative hand value
I also need to work on my mental game. Doesn't seem to matter how much money I have. Losing even small amounts pisses me off. I dropped $3k between super cars and wagyu at CUT, didnt bat an eye. But I'm still pissed off about the $100 river call I made with 2nd nut flush on a paired board.
Only place to go is up.
At least you get some enjoyment out of driving a ferrari and eating steak. No enjoyment from giving your money to miserable regs and paying rake to the casino.
I'll also take this opportunity to brag that your boy officially got promoted today. 2021 guttterball would be pleased how it's turned out so far to accept what was only a 6 month contract gig at the time. Losing money at low steaks will still feel worse to me than winning at low steaks though. Probably time to hang it up or YOLO into a bigger game.
Congrats man!
(Losing money at higher steaks feels worse)
This was definitely working for some of the regs in the room. I couldn't emulate it successfully
in my experience, if i'm cbet bluffing and it doesn't get through, i shut it down unless my hand really improves
But if I bet larger on the turn, surely they'll fold then, right? Right? [emoji854][emoji854]
Thanks for the advice, Rick. Will give it a shot
Congrats on the promotion, Gutterball!
This was definitely working for some of the regs in the room. I couldn't emulate it successfully
But if I bet larger on the turn, surely they'll fold then, right? Right? [emoji854][emoji854]
Thanks for the advice, Rick. Will give it a shot
I'm convinced that a good 80% of bluffs that get through on the river vs certain players were hands you'd have won if just checked and tabled your high card
ie I've heard an incredible amount of table talk where it's like a T78 board and the guy cold calls a multiway pot with JT and then when the turn is a 7 they thin k "I improved to two pair" likewise, you also get a turn J and they don't think "a naked 9 got there" they instead think "sweet I now have top two pair"
A quaint little town called "Scottsdale." What everyone pictures is actually north Scottsdale. It's a noodle shaped town and the southside where I live was historically a barrio.
Several people suggested I go north, but they don't say where to get old money.
perhaps terrell suggs stole it?
At a new table you play like a nit for the first three orbits then you step on the gas hard barreling with geometric sizing for two orbits and then you slam the brakes and play like GG for an hour. 60 percent of the time it works every time
Played a couple nights at tch in Dallas. First time playing in Texas. The games were pretty soft but not insane, which is not surprising as they've had poker for several years now.
What I really liked is that people were having fun and socializing. Very little staring at phones. Also, good staff.
There was one reg type who didn't get it and was mostly silent unless it was to badger drunk fish about trivial rules violations. I'm sure more will emerge as poker develops. But for now, poker in Texas is fun.
RIP OJ. Or not.
I didn't want to get run over playing fit/fold, but maybe it really is that simple at these stakes.
One bluff attempt per session might even be on the high side for me. Not saying there aren't opportunities, but I never force it and just patiently wait for them. Otherwise (at least for me), it's mostly about doing better than my opponents in the battle of winning more with the best hand and losing less with the non-best hand.
Ggogogo!,imoG
What I really liked is that people were having fun and socializing. Very little staring at phones. Also, good staff.
The Aria in Vegas was the complete opposite of this. Many people had in ear buds and were either scrolling on their phone or playing poker on their phone. It really only bothered me when it slowed down the game bc they missed action.
One bluff attempt per session might even be on the high side for me. Not saying there aren't opportunities, but I never force it and just patiently wait for them. Otherwise (at least for me), it's mostly about doing better than my opponents in the battle of winning more with the best hand and losing less with the non-best hand.
Ggogogo!,imoG
Appreciate the encouragement, GG. Focusing on winning more with the best and losing less with the non-best seems like a good thing to focus on for the foreseeable future.
The Aria in Vegas was the complete opposite of this. Many people had in ear buds and were either scrolling on their phone or playing poker on their phone. It really only bothered me when it slowed down the game bc they missed action.
Appreciate the encouragement, GG. Focusing on winning more with the best and losing less with the non-best seems like a good thing to focus on for the foreseeable future.
Weird. Tapatalk switched me to an old account I hadn't used in years, and I'm pretty sure it was from an old werewolf game.
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How many monkey accounts with 0 posts you got turtle?
Sounds like something a werewolf would say
Otherwise (at least for me), it's mostly about doing better than my opponents in the battle of winning more with the best hand and losing less with the non-best hand.
Ggogogo!,imoG
This isn't a dig at you in particular, but how do you expect to win more with the best hand if you never put money in without it?
