"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread
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ATsai gets a bad rap around here, but that dude put me on the right track in my game a few years back.
I don't have a problem with ATsai personally. He and Sabr have different styles of play, imo. Im just not sure there would be enough imbalances for ATsai to exploit. Plus, I don't know if he ever made it to 50/100.
I don’t know, chat thread, I think we have a new situation on our hands. Let’s pool our money together and stake Sabr on LATB or Hustler. Squid will have to run the money since Mpethy isn’t in LV. I fully expect that money to be gone by via hookers and blow by the time Squid reaches CA.
FWIW I have played on LATB.
And I have played with the Hustler crowd in private games. Some of my biggest wins were in those games.
You asserted that people call 2x pot more often than they call pot, and gave no evidence for this beyond "I sometimes jam with the nuts and get called." I said that doesn't support your position at all. You don't know that they would have folded to a smaller bet. Almost certainly you got called in spots where they were calling any bet size.
wow you are cranky, i very clearly said it was from anecdotal experience, and you didn't even address this nor talk about it so you've been stewing on it angrily to yourself, a big reason for my winrate is a regularly just bomb it in on the river and get called down way more than i should be because they tend to think I'm buying the pot (but this is also part of image setting - big reason why it works is I'm straddling and 3betting hands like 67s and then showing i got caught with it to establish the image
FWIW i also personally am far likelier to call overshoves as a bluff catcher because it's either the stone cold nuts or a spew and there's way more combos of spew than stone cold nuts
I'm saying based on the hands I'm shoving here with, he should consider folding two pair as he's losing quite a lot.
In reality I expect two pair to call, but that makes my bluff profitable if they fold 1 pair. And all of my value is really printing here if he ever calls 1 pair.
i 100% agree, i don't think you really read what i wrote and are just in a salty mood right now looking for an argument
i actually like you bro, i have no beef nor quarrel with you, i merely posited that I didn't like the overshove on the river and spent a fair amount of time explaining my reasoning behind, stating what portion of his range was calling vs folding and what i believed his range would be - it feels like a coin flip to me where we dump 900 half the time and win 350 the other half and i don't think there's much there that folds to the shove which magically calls for a psb but that's just an opinion which you obviously don't share
i agree with your play for the most part, just don't like he sizing at the end
i merely stated that i wouldn't have bombed that river and gave my reasons for it, if that means you forever hate me instead of politely disagreeing then that's on you
It’s just the “sniffles.”
I really wanted to ride this weekend, but had zero energy. Can barely walk around without running out of breath. At least I got 20 days in… sigh.
20 days as a commuting weekend warrior with a 9-5 aint bad at all imo. Rest yer ass up and lets git sum turns in before they shut it all down
FWIW I have played on LATB.
And I have played with the Hustler crowd in private games. Some of my biggest wins were in those games.
Gonna need the youtube link, sir. I will be providing a break down of every hand played free of charge. Most break downs will consist of, “That’s not how GG would have played that.”
I don't have a problem with ATsai personally. He and Sabr have different styles of play, imo. Im just not sure there would be enough imbalances for ATsai to exploit. Plus, I don't know if he ever made it to 50/100.
I don't have any issues with David, although we're not friends either.
Based on what I've seen, I think between us my style is more balanced and harder to exploit.
I am a little bit at the moment, my apologies if I'm coming off as harsh.
i also personally am far likelier to call overshoves as a bluff catcher because it's either the stone cold nuts or a spew and there's way more combos of spew than stone cold nuts
I disagree with this in theory. Sure bad players are probably super unbalanced and mostly have spew in their overbets, but good players should be fairly balanced with them if they are studied in these lines. My worst value hand for a shove is 55 here, but once I see that you call me down with a hand you "shouldn't," I will adjust by putting A9/A7/A5 into my jam range as well. Sure I will value cut myself sometimes, but I'm going to win most of the time vs a call if you're calling too light thinking I have nuts or nothing.
i actually like you bro, i have no beef nor quarrel with you, i merely posited that I didn't like the overshove on the river and spent a fair amount of time explaining my reasoning behind, stating what portion of his range was calling vs folding and what i believed his range would be - it feels like a coin flip to me where we dump 900 half the time and win 350 the other half and i don't think there's much there that folds to the shove which magically calls for a psb but that's just an opinion wh
I don't have any problem with you, but admittedly I was surprised that you went with the "maybe this is why you are in a big downswing" angle. Even as a joke, that seemed overly personal.
And you also wrote how in your own experience with DFS you realized you had stopped improving for a while which was responsible for your own "downswing," and you kind of projected that experience onto me and assumed that I stopped working on my game as well. Which is an incorrect assumption, but I'm sure you meant no harm by it. Anyway, I don't have any problem with you. It's done.
Not necessarily, but I still do think one pair is more likely to fold to 2x pot than just pot. And it's still important to have some bluffs in our range, it forces them to defend vs our value.
And yes I agree that vs some extreme calling stations it's perfectly fine to have 0% bluff and 100% value, but most of the time it's not so black and white and we should be bluffing at some frequency.
It’s all getting a little homoerotic. Who bums who when the inevitable Union happens?
And you also wrote how in your own experience with DFS you realized you had stopped improving for a while which was responsible for your own "downswing," and you kind of projected that experience onto me and assumed that I stopped working on my game as well. Which is an incorrect assumption, but I'm sure you meant no harm by it. Anyway, I don't have any problem with you. It's done.
this was just meant to show that I've been through similar and that while i stand by that most of it was variance, i definitely overlooked some leaks that i should have buttoned up earlier but didn't because for so long i'd been so successful and figured there was a non zero chance something similar was going on with you and if not, then it makes for a good bad beat story and everyone loves telling badbeat stories 😀
You named some very horrible places to live sir. Stockton and Mantweeka? You staying up off French Camp road in StockTown? 😃
ATsai gets a bad rap around here, but that dude put me on the right track in my game a few years back. Not saying I’m a crusher, but he certainly changed my mindset for the good.
Seems like you didn't read any of the posts I was responding to cause your responses are kind of random.
No one asked "where arethe best affordable places to live in Cali?" I was just naming places where 100k would go further. And Sacramento isn't that bad.
And the ATsai thing is weird. Someone mentioned a very good Chinese pro that plays at the Gardens named David and I guessed ATsai.
Is that considered an insult these days?
It's like you're reaching for some type of argument that isn't there.
Here's a boring hand:
$5/5. UTG limps. CO raises to $25. Hero raises to $60 otb with K♠K♣. UTG raises to $160. CO folds. Hero calls.
Flop Q♥J♦3♥ (pot $355)
UTG bets $130. Hero folds.
I'm simply not going to pay off some 70 year old man who limps and 4-bets. Honestly folding pre-flop is probably fine.
Seems like you didn't read any of the posts I was responding to cause your responses are kind of random.
No one asked "where arethe best affordable places to live in Cali?" I was just naming places where 100k would go further. And Sacramento isn't that bad.
And the ATsai thing is weird. Someone mentioned a very good Chinese pro that plays at the Gardens named David and I guessed ATsai.
Is that considered an insult these days?
It's like you're reaching for some type of argument that isn't ther
I think he’s referring to 5+ years ago when ATSai was a semi reg in here and was a charmless, graceless w anker
He is by all accounts, a very good poker coach and a decent guy irl so it was prolly just his online persona and some tonal translation issues from real life to online
I still have blisters on the roof of my mouth
Yes that's a really small raise and it's fairly weak.
I'm pretty tempted to backraise over these lines except here I probably don't get credit for it after limping CO.
He could have a bunch of pair + draws, draws, or two pair+.
I have roughly 10 value combos here so he should fold most of the time.
And all of these monster hands checked around the flop. GTO has hit the fan.
Seems like you didn't read any of the posts I was responding to cause your responses are kind of random.
No one asked "where arethe best affordable places to live in Cali?" I was just naming places where 100k would go further. And Sacramento isn't that bad.
And the ATsai thing is weird. Someone mentioned a very good Chinese pro that plays at the Gardens named David and I guessed ATsai.
Is that considered an insult these days?
It's like you're reaching for some type of argument that isn't ther
I was responding to Turtle. I only quoted yours randomly because you named him.
Most of my multi-quote post was sarcasm/jokes/rando banter. I don’t think we’ve interacted enough for you to know that. Most everyone else here does.
I apologize for making fun of your home in Modesto.
I think he’s referring to 5+ years ago when ATSai was a semi reg in here and was a charmless, graceless w anker
He is by all accounts, a very good poker coach and a decent guy irl so it was prolly just his online persona and some tonal translation issues from real life to online
FWIW, it doesn't sound like this ATsai guy and this Chinese pro David in my local games are the same person.
Regarding the SABR42 K6s hand history, I like how SABR42 played it on all streets. Well played sir.
I think that most LA 5/5 players will fold enough to the river OVERBET for it to be profitable.
Based on what I've seen, I think between us my style is more balanced and harder to exploit.
This was what I was driving at. Maybe it's just what he teaches on CLP and what I've seen on youtube, but my understanding of his style is that it is based heavily on exploits. Fewer imbalances lead to fewer exploits, and you probably get the money over time.
I was responding to Turtle. I only quoted yours randomly because you named him.
Most of my multi-quote post was sarcasm/jokes/rando banter. I don’t think we’ve interacted enough for you to know that. Most everyone else here does.
I apologize for making fun of your home in Modesto.
All good. Modesto too uppity I live in Stockton which is why I took offense.
Straight outta Stockton, crazy motherfkcer named Spy-u
From a 2+2 thread named The Pen, fool
When he calls off, you get stacked off
Squeeze the raise and a call, chips get hauled off
You too, small blind, if ya fkc with me
The floor dudes are gonna have to come and get me
Shovin' all-in, that's how you goin' out
For the punk motherfkcers that be callin' out
