Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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"The terrorists" = entire population of Gaza including children. Otherwise why so many dead children?
Because Hamas hides among civilians and half of Gaza civilians are under 18, so you would expect half of the collateral damage to be minors.
And every warfare in urban setting with non evacuated civilians has a significant amount of collateral damage, the ratio of enemy combatant killed to collateral damage in Gaza is historically very low
Children are taught to hate in the classroom. There's nothing worth preserving of that culture, honestly
Iraq initially forbade Jews from leaving (much like the USSR did until the 80s), Israel helped thousands of Jews leave and then when Iraq allowed emigration Israel did airlifts of 130000 Iraqi Jews from 1951-1952.
Kelhus may well have not known this. I didn't.
You left out the part where Iraqi said they could leave, but they had to forfeit all their property in doing so. Like the rest of the Nazi sympathizing fascist nationalist Arab regimes of that time, the main goal of the Iraqi regime was to persecute and steal from the Jews as much as they could get away with. In 1950 they decided the best way to do this was to "allow" the Jews to leave, with the Iraq state confiscating all their property.
And yes, I was broadly aware what happened, although being refreshed of how horrible and racist the Arabs of this time (and nothing has really changed since) behaved even surprised me.
And yes, I am also broadly aware that Morroco has constantly been the most tolerant of the Arab nations to Jews, so if one's goal is to obfuscate reality as much as possible, they would highlight Morocco as much as possible.
You left out the part where Iraqi said they could leave, but they had to forfeit all their property in doing so. Like the rest of the Nazi sympathizing fascist nationalist Arab regimes of that time, the main goal of the Iraqi regime was to persecute and steal from the Jews as much as they could get away with. In 1950 they decided the best way to do this was to "allow" the Jew
You know how the Allies treated the Jews of Europe at the end of the war?
George Patton ran the Displaced Persons camps, some of which were previously Nazi concentration camps and here's what he wrote:
"Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals."
You Christians were also awful to Jews at the time and not just the Nazis.
You know how the Allies treated the Jews of Europe at the end of the war?George Patton ran the Displaced Persons camps, some of which were previously Nazi concentration camps and here's what he wrote:"Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals."You Christians wer
Yes, I am aware. That is why it is so important that Israel remain a Jewish state where any Jew in the world can escape any such persecution moving forward. If the cost of this is 800,000 displaced Palestinians (now 5,000,000 due to exponential population growth during a supposed genocide) that is an acceptable price to pay IMO.
Go ahead and give them whatever reparations you think they deserve, but no right of return.
You know how the Allies treated the Jews of Europe at the end of the war?George Patton ran the Displaced Persons camps, some of which were previously Nazi concentration camps and here's what he wrote:"Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals."You Christians wer
All true
Yet you are against a Jewish State
Where did I say that? You think that because I don't think destroying Gaza is ok. You think that because I don't think carving up the WB is ok. You think that because you don't think there's a limit on what it acceptable for the Israeli state.
Can you understand that I want to exist and I also want to be good?
Where did I say that? You think that because I don't think destroying Gaza is ok. You think that because I don't think carving up the WB is ok. You think that because you don't think there's a limit on what it acceptable for the Israeli state.
You've made it clear that you don't want it being a jewish state. You want Jews to be able to live there but it not being a jewish state. If all of West Bank and Gaza were citizens of isreal, jews would be the minority and would lose their rights like they have in other Muslim countries
I'm not criticizing you for thinking bibi is too far right, for being against settlement expansion, for wanting better rights for Palestinians. I'm disappointed that you know why it is imperative to have a Jewish state but think "we can just share it and know it will all be okay"
I'm pretty sure you have said you don't want 2 states you want one? Or am i mistaken. Because wanting one eventually means no jewish state. The namev would become Palestine within 20 years and the Romans that changed the name of JUDEA to PALESTINE can finally live in heaven peacefully knowing their plan to erase the Jewishness from the land is finally coming to fruition
Microbet how would you prevent a state where Jews are 35% and Arabs are 65% to vote away rights for Jews?
Microbet how would you prevent a state where Jews are 35% and Arabs are 65% to vote away rights for Jews?
How come South Africa didn't murder or expel all white people?
Dunno if I can trust you to be honest, but maybe, you do seem to admit a lot. Did you expect white people to still live in South Africa after Nelson Mandela took office?
You've made it clear that you don't want it being a jewish state. You want Jews to be able to live there but it not being a jewish state. If all of West Bank and Gaza were citizens of isreal, jews would be the minority and would lose their rights like they have in other Muslim countriesI'm not criticizing you for thinking bibi is too far right, for being against settlement ex
I don't think Palestinians and Israeli Arabs remove all Jews just because they become a majority. Jews will still be the ruling class there unless they are really a tiny minority. But, I'm agnostic on one or two states as long as one state means everyone is a full citizen and two states means two viable and free states and I realize it's a long path (getting longer) to either.
The number has decreased, but in better times like 1999 almost 20% of Arab-Israelis voted for Jewish parties. And that's just Jewish parties. There are mixed parties and Arab parties are not all voting Jews out of Israel.
Arabs were part of bibis coalition to win last time of I'm not mistaken. But if arabs were 65% in not confident it would work that way
Why couldn't jews or Christians visit Jerusalem or Bethlehem when it was under arab control? Why can't jews visit the actual temple mount today?
How come South Africa didn't murder or expel all white people?
Dunno if I can trust you to be honest, but maybe, you do seem to admit a lot. Did you expect white people to still live in South Africa after Nelson Mandela took office?
Ever heard of Zimbabwe?
I expected whites to slowly go out of the country in SA depending on how they were treated, came out they weren't treated too badly so the exodus wasn't massive. 15-20% of them emigrated though, not nothing.
But the fact that 65% Arabs MIGHT end up working isn't enough is it? An Israeli Jew wouldn't gamble on his family life like that I hope you understand that? How would you setup things to make it absolutely impossible for the 65% to pull a Zimbabwe is the question, because unless that's the case it's folly to ask Israeli Jews to risk their lives like that.
And it's very possible you could end up being right. Maybe. But I'm not willing to take that chance
The number has decreased, but in better times like 1999 almost 20% of Arab-Israelis voted for Jewish parties. And that's just Jewish parties. There are mixed parties and Arab parties are not all voting Jews out of Israel.
What makes you think arab-israelis are anything similar to the people now living in Gaza and the WB, politically?
The people in Gaza and the WB accept not to have elections for example
Children are taught to hate in the classroom. There's nothing worth preserving of that culture, honestly
you might be surprised what the kids in Israel learn.
In before “lol.”
Arabs were part of bibis coalition to win last time of I'm not mistaken. But if arabs were 65% in not confident it would work that way
Why couldn't jews or Christians visit Jerusalem or Bethlehem when it was under arab control? Why can't jews visit the actual temple mount today?
Bethlehem is under Arab control now and Christians can visit. Jews who aren't Israelis can visit just about anywhere in the WB/Jerusalem and they do. I'm sure it was risky, really especially during a war, but before 10/7 Jews visited openly as Jews.
Like I said, it's not an easy road. Nothing really good could happen at all without probably like 5 years of relative peace beforehand and at this point? Probably more and a tremendous amount of rebuilding. If 2000 Gazans were killed instead of 40000 (hopefully not a lot more coming), then maybe that 5 years of peace and moving forward thing wouldn't sound so crazy. Sounds crazy now, because of Israel's massive bombing.
