Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Hamas received a truce proposal that is "extraordinarily generous," and that it needs to decide quickly. He added that he is hopeful that Hamas will "make the right decision."The New York Times reported Israel has reduced the number of hostages it will accept to be released by Hamas in the first phase from 40 to 3
Not sure Hamas wants to accept this. Why give Israel time to step back and plan? Just make them stay on the offensive and not give their soldiers a rest.
lol, imagine being as shamelessly dishonest as Kelhus. Like, that's got to **** with your psyche.
Bibi ought to entirely eliminate the Palestinian leadership. I think that's the plan and would preclude any trade, for no partner in negotiation.
Not sure Hamas wants to accept this. Why give Israel time to step back and plan? Just make them stay on the offensive and not give their soldiers a rest.
I think if they knew that Israel would be honest (lolololol) then they would take it. but Israel is very likely to just start bombing the next day.
Under the UNRWA mandate, Palestinians have permanent refugee status no matter where they live. I actually dont know how this would be reconciled with a theoretical Palestinian state. Would the Palestinian diaspora become members of said state? Would they even want to be?
The PA also has single digit approval rating, even in the West Bank. If they held elections tomorrow, they would lose to Hamas, even after 20 years of Hamas getting Gaza destroyed through poor leadership.
How legitimate would a Palestinian state negotiated by a non Democratic PA govt with single digit support be? Feels a lot like Kabuki Theatre to me.
But if you say the Palestinians really want the West Bank + Gaza to be recognized as a state, and lose their refugee status, I'll have to take your word for it.
I think if they knew that Israel would be honest (lolololol) then they would take it. but Israel is very likely to just start bombing the next day.
Israel abides by every ceasefire period. Hamas does not
Try again
Not sure Hamas wants to accept this. Why give Israel time to step back and plan? Just make them stay on the offensive and not give their soldiers a rest.
What? Israel completely controls the pace they want the war to go at. They can take as much rest as they want. It is Hamas which desperately needs a reprieve, which is why Israel isn't really interested in giving it.
Hamas doesn't want to accept this"generous deal" because they want much more. Their main demands have not wavered since October 8th. They demand Israel leave for good, allow unlimited aid back in, and then after all this happens and Hamas regains control of the territory they will begin hostage negotiations. They dont care about the Palestinian people at all. This is all about how their organization comes out of this.
The simple matter is that this war has waged for 6+ months with no end in sight because Hamas prefers war to any peace deal short of its exact demands.
I think most ceasefires always have little bumps in the road. Would be normal for both sides to have some infractions early on. It's not letting a couple of idiots mess up the bigger deal.
That is a good point
What happens to the 3 million in Palestinian refugee camps in jordan if Palestine becomes a real state
they never stopped sniping children during this past ceasefire.
I think most ceasefires always have little bumps in the road. Would be normal for both sides to have some infractions early on. It's not letting a couple of idiots mess up the bigger deal.
Hamas is very decentralized with autonomous units, and just because Sinwar (or whoever) makes a deal doesn't mean everyone will abide by it. And that doesn't even factor in PIJ, Lions Den and whatever other militant groups Hamas has no control over. In any peace deal with Gaza, it is just accepted that small, autonomous militant groups will continue attacking Israel indefinitely.
Again, I am no a lawyer, but it seems like some serious Civil Rights violations (and probably a number of other laws being broken) going on at UCLA, which means the state of CA is liable for allowing it to happen under their jurisdiction.
Hamas is very decentralized with autonomous units, and just because Sinwar (or whoever) makes a deal doesn't mean everyone will abide by it. And that doesn't even factor in PIJ, Lions Den and whatever other militant groups Hamas has no control over. In any peace deal with Gaza, it is just accepted that small, autonomous militant groups will continue attacking Israel indefinit
thats possible sure. but I have heard from people like Jon Elmer that the Resistance groups are working with a much higher level of coordination and cooperation and agreed to let Hamas lead.
UCLA encampment looks like it expanded. Maybe they were miffed that they were being left alone.
