Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Israel isn't brutal, it's actually too much motivated by humanitarian reasons (because it risks losing american support given the administration is democrat), which for ex is why rafah hasn't been invaded yet.Western countries just need to apply the law, which in most cases would allow to try many of those students as material supporters of terrorism (or equivalent charges in o
McCarthy failed, you're saying?
the amount of stupid, bloodthirsty, or crazy you have to be to think that israel isn't "brutal" after razing entire villages and cities and killing tens of thousands of literal children is mindboggling.
McCarthism failed for all the parts in which it didn't follow the rule of law yes, and also because it stopped, while McCarthism (a much more powerful version, within the system) should have been enshrined in the law and become a staple legal pillar of all western societies.
We should have criminalized marxism (and everything that derives from it) properly , within the rule of law, same as the Germans criminalize nazism, or as we treat islamic terror.
It both eliminates and creates. I think many of the "innocent" civilians are helping Hamas. Also, Many of the children killed were destined to be Hamas fighters. No matter what Israel does there will be an endless supply of terrorists. These people know of no other way of life. It's the industry of the Middle East.
Sounds like Israel are the losers. Maybe the Israeli government should agree terms that the Palestinian people would agree to.
There are capital markets, starbucks, mcdonald and so on in Hanoi.
Is that a loss? what do you think the war was about?
France and then the US wanted to control the natural resources in Vietnam. At the time (when the war started) rubber was the most important of those. Also it was to send a message to other developing countries that they might get bombed for 11 years if they try to keep a larger share of the value of their natural resources.
the amount of stupid, bloodthirsty, or crazy you have to be to think that israel isn't "brutal" after razing entire villages and cities and killing tens of thousands of literal children is mindboggling.
Villages are populated with savages and the children aren't humans. 101 on how to demonise your enemy before genociding them.
France and then the US wanted to control the natural resources in Vietnam. At the time (when the war started) rubber was the most important of those. Also it was to send a message to other developing countries that they might get bombed for 11 years if they try to keep a larger share of the value of their natural resources.
The amount the USA spent in vietnam (even without counting the value of american lives lost) was an order of magnitude bigger than the worldwide value of the rubber market (lol wtf) which makes your take worthy of the fringe conspiracy thread.
The reason for the war is known and it was the (mistaken) domino theory, you can claim they wanted other developing countries to know they might get bombed for 11 years if they tried communism
You literally just said in another thread people emigrate because of what happened 60+++ years ago lol.
Who cares which side won in the past in analogous wars? because israel-palestine is just a chapter in the war that started in 1946: west vs the rest, capitalism vs marxists variants, good vs evil.
And today like in other occasions we have people domestically taking the side of enemies. And today like in other occasions we aren't reacting to the domestic threat adequately.
the amount of stupid, bloodthirsty, or crazy you have to be to think that israel isn't "brutal" after razing entire villages and cities and killing tens of thousands of literal children is mindboggling.
More mindboggling than Hamas creating the conditions for the "literal" children to die?
You literally just said in another thread people emigrate because of what happened 60+++ years ago lol.
What happened 60 years ago has a direct bearing on people's decision-making now. Economies can take a long time to recover, if they ever do.
What happened thousands of years ago is ancient history.
The amount the USA spent in vietnam (even without counting the value of american lives lost) was an order of magnitude bigger than the worldwide value of the rubber market (lol wtf) which makes your take worthy of the fringe conspiracy thread.The reason for the war is known and it was the (mistaken) domino theory, you can claim they wanted other developing countries to know th
No one would give a **** about the communism or not communism of these countries if it didn't involve seizing assets that were taken by force by the Empires. It's all about natural resources, markets for manufactured goods, and cheap labor and how extra value is being exported because of the military force of the Empires.
And spending money on the military is something people in power in the USA like to do. The people making the decisions and the interests they represent obviously are not THE USA and it's financial solvency. Spending $2 out of the Treasury to make $1 for a donor makes perfect sense for them.
And Vietnam was controlled by the West for 100 years. A war with the possibility of another 100 years of control might not have been a bad bet. Don't be results oriented.
netanyahu is more responsible for hamas than any of these kids that he is murdering.
It's pretty sick that people are calling so many people antisemitic Hamas supporters when the State of Israel supported Hamas.
Hamas didn't change though. If they changed anything, it's that they changed their charter to not say all the Jews must go. Yet, somehow Netanyahu actually gave Hamas important material support without being a Nazi.
It could not be more clear that for a large group in this thread the only thing that makes someone not an antisemitic Nazi Hamas supporter is pledging allegiance to the government and state of Israel. It doesn't mean loving the murder of children and it doesn't mean it can't be what Victor called "critical support" where you can say "that's a little much, but I still pledge allegiance", but it's nothing more than flag waving and all of your arguments are suspect (lies or not) of being untrustworthy and thoughtless propaganda.
Get it. You have "critical support" of the killing of 40000 Gazans whether they are innocent or not - whatever Israel decides to do, in exactly the same way Victor has "critical support" of "the resistance". So if you say he signs off on everything Hamas does, that means you sign off on everything Israel does. A couple people, mainly Luciom, are willing to do that. He says "they are an ally, you commit treason if you oppose them even in speech, simple as that".
