Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Why bother with warnings at all if it's an actual genocide? Maybe just maybe because it isn't a genocide any more than Israel is an apartheid regime or any of the other slurs thrown at them. (Such as genocide) A lie repeated often enough does not become the truth.
The same reason that the PIRA issued confusing warnings not long before bombs went off. Plausible deniability.
Hey it's not our fault those losers didn't manage to gtfo in time.
I said something you take issue with?
Today, no, but Rafah was bombed before the evacuation began
https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-h...
At least say that you support the genocide like others itt. Denying it is a far worse look. The Nazi holocaust doesn't have to be the bar for everything
It is not genocide if there isn't the explicit intention, and following actions, to kill as many of them as possible on purpose.
Killing some number of people of the same group isn't genocide. Especially when it's abundantly clear you are specifically targeting hamas members, sympathizers, enablers, supporters.
And ofc their families and friends will often die as collateral damage, as they will be in close proximity when attacked often enough, but again, that isn't genocide.
Israel had plenty of opportunities to kill many more, risking nothing (just cutting off ALL aid for example), they didn't, that alone proves 100% it can't be genocide.
ANY attempt to not maximize killing = not genocide.
Which btw also means the nazis only started the jew genocide pretty late, which is what historians also say.
Israel should have been bombing civilians randomly for the last 4 months in order to even vaguely suggest it is genocide. They could have easily killed 1 million + by now do you realize that? more if they were really dedicated.
Rwandas with middle ages weapons killed a million in 100 days , that's a genocide. Indiscriminately, no other reason that "you are member of that group". That's 101 genocide.
Reports are that Hamas has accepted a deal but no news on hostage releases that I've seen yet. Just vague reports of a deal.
Proposal includes 'far-reaching' conclusions that Israel doesn't agree to - Israeli official
An Israeli official has said that Hamas has approved a "softened" Egyptian proposal that is not acceptable to Israel, the Reuters news agency is reporting.
The agency also reports that an Israeli official has said the proposal includes "far-reaching" conclusions that Israel does not agree to.
bbc
It is not genocide if there isn't the explicit intention, and following actions, to kill as many of them as possible on purpose.Killing some number of people of the same group isn't genocide. Especially when it's abundantly clear you are specifically targeting hamas members, sympathizers, enablers, supporters.And ofc their families and friends will often die as collateral damag
serial killer on trial: but look at all the people I didnt kill your honor
Micro can you show me a real source that says Israel bombed rafah today or are you just relying on vics fake twitter buddies
Al Jazeera still says that they are planning to attack in the next few days
Just curious
It wasn't Vic's post that I was quoting and it didn't seem like one of his twitter sources (and it wasn't, it was a financial writer who writes for Forbes and The Financial times).
Just googling, this is what I find about bombing today
If bombs are dropping 4 hours after evacuation orders, then yes, it's deception and "because reasons" is an idiotic thing to say. When you're being sarcastic, try not to be stupid.
2/3 of the Jewish population of Europe died in the Holocaust
About 1/2 of 1% of the Palestinian population has died since oct 7
Only one of these things is a genocide
Is that your limit, then? If 66% of the people of Palestine get killed, is that the point where you say "Gee, Israel went a bit too far?"
and btw the concept of genocide was developed because of the holocaust, and we then re-assessed previous mass exterminations under those lens, so yes actually the holocaust is more or less the bar
in fact mass murder isn't necessarily genocide which is what we have been trying to teach you since the beginning.
You can consider the civilian deaths avoidable and claim Israel is responsible for their deaths (that's a subjective call), you can't use the word genocide because it completly doesn't apply, unless you do that because you are antisemite which is what is going on
Is that your limit, then? If 66% of the people of Palestine get killed, is that the point where you say "Gee, Israel went a bit too far?"
If they had leveled off the whole of the west bank as well 4 months ago and interrupted ALL aid till day 1 of the invasion with most palestinians (in gaza and the west bank) actually dead of hunger right now, that would have been "too far" yes.
That sort of magnitude could justify the world genocide.
Not 1/100 that which is what has happened.
They wouldn't ever "level off the whole of the West Bank", killing all the settlers.
Unless you meant something else.
They wouldn't ever "level off the whole of the West Bank", killing all the settlers.
Unless you meant something else.
all the rest where palestinians live? they have this population of palestinians, among which hamas support is sky high, and they don't start mass killing them ? and that is a genocide because they kill palestinians in another area? lol?
It wasn't Vic's post that I was quoting and it didn't seem like one of his twitter sources (and it wasn't, it was a financial writer who writes for Forbes and The Financial times).
Just googling, this is what I find about bombing today
If they had leveled off the whole of the west bank as well 4 months ago and interrupted ALL aid till day 1 of the invasion with most palestinians (in gaza and the west bank) actually dead of hunger right now, that would have been "too far" yes.
That sort of magnitude could justify the world genocide.
Not 1/100 that which is what has happened.
light genocide?
Hmm? What will the response in the thread be?
4 hours to evacuate was plenty of time.
Evacuating civilians was a dumb idea anyway. Just bomb bomb bomb.
Looks like Netanyahu should face trial for this.
and btw the concept of genocide was developed because of the holocaust, and we then re-assessed previous mass exterminations under those lens, so yes actually the holocaust is more or less the bar
No, it isn't. Precisely because of the Holocaust, international law takes a preventative approach and does not wait until a successful campaign of genocide has been completed. The charge can be brought if there has been a deliberate attempt to reduce the target population significantly, in operations not required by combat or by air or artillery attack on strategic or tactical targets. Israel may not be found liable, but they wouldn't have to exterminate the entire population of Gaza before the ICC took a view. (And, as mentioned, they've carefully never ratified the Rome Statute, so they could ignore any adverse ruling anyway, though Netanyahu would find his travel options limited for fear of arrest.)
While Hamas say they've accepted a ceasefire deal (perhaps just to wrongfoot the Israelis in PR terms), the Israelis are going ahead with the attack on Rafah and also saying they want the hostages back. They can't really have it both ways, but they may suspect that the hostages are all or nearly all dead by now. I've seen many of the hostages' faces on posters stuck up at London bus stops, and it's all mighty depressing.
Really blew my mind that mets said that Bibi should be tried for war crimes but relentlessly supports Israel's actions at every turn. It's opened my eyes to how almost all the interactions are really just "are you with us or against us?"
what do you mean
Hmm? What will the response in the thread be?
4 hours to evacuate was plenty of time.
Evacuating civilians was a dumb idea anyway. Just bomb bomb bomb.
Looks like Netanyahu should face trial for this.
More likely "If it's not on my preferred news outlets it didn't happen".
It is not genocide if there isn't the explicit intention, and following actions, to kill as many of them as possible on purpose.Killing some number of people of the same group isn't genocide. Especially when it's abundantly clear you are specifically targeting hamas members, sympathizers, enablers, supporters.And ofc their families and friends will often die as collateral damag
Stop making up definitions.
It means almost all the posting in here is just assertions of or demands for loyalty.
Another example is how similar BOIDS reaction to Rafah bombings is to his football team winning.
Half expecting a "Ladz it's only Palestinians"
Identity politics of the worst kind.
people refusing to state objective guidelines of good and bad was pretty telling.
"hamas kills 100 civilians- terrible
israel kills 10,000 civilians- eh thats war"
pussys are gonna pussy
