Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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The question is very clear.
You are saying Netanyahu is annoying Biden because Biden gives him whatever he wants and Netanyahu wants Trump in power. This seems paradoxical to me because why would Netanyahu want Trump to take over the job for Biden when Biden is already giving Netanyahu everything he wants?
who knows, go ask him
No need he's already told us and we have already seen it: Biden isn't giving him everything he wants.
You laughed at this and so far have failed to explain why it's laughable.
The point is most antisemitic conspiracy theories, whether they come from the left, right or Islamic world, are incoherent.
--Jews control the Democrat party, but are still trying to get Trump (whose himself is antisemitic) elected anyways
--Jews are leading a conspiracy to replace whites with demographics that hate Jews
--Jews have spent the last 50 years ethnically cleansing the Palestinians; whose population has inexplicably gone up from around 1 million to over 5 million during this time period they are being ethnically cleansed
I could go on and on, In other news, the sky is still blue.
No need he's already told us and we have already seen it: Biden isn't giving him everything he wants.
You laughed at this and so far have failed to explain why it's laughable.
what did he say he's been denied? oh, he didn't specify, did he? wow thats so weird. must have been a mistake...
and then the us responded that they had no idea what he's talking about, and reiterated that the only thing they've done this entire time was temporarily delay one shipment of those 2000 lb bombs. did he respond to that? probably not huh. must have been another mistake...
"About 4 months ago there was a dramatic drop in arms supplies."
He's saying arms supplies.
I think you have an extremely naive understanding of the situation. American (mostly defensive) weapons are how we control Israel to mostly play defense against all its Islamist enemies. Without our involvement Israel would have to be much more aggressive offensively and the scale of death, destruction and bloodshed on all sides would be astronomically higher.
Then again, maybe you think it would be better to just get it all over with. Let Israel and its enemies fight to the literal death and
I'm not gonna lie, this is kinda what I would like to happen. Maybe even give weapons to both sides to help them kill each other more quickly.
"About 4 months ago there was a dramatic drop in arms supplies."
He's saying arms supplies.
seems legit
February
- Three anonymous U.S. officials stated that the US would not punish Israel if its forces attacked Rafah without a plan to protect civilians.
- The Senate passed a $14 billion USD aid package for Israel.
- The U.S. began preparing to send Israel more weapons ahead of its planned Rafah offensive, stating, "Israel takes effective action to prevent gross violations of human rights."
- On 20 February, the US vetoed a UN Security Council resolution seeking an "immediate humanitarian ceasefire".
March
- Following the Flour massacre, officials stated, "Biden remains unwilling to make any major shifts in his policy toward Israel, including placing conditions on military aid to Israel".
- Algeria proposed a motion to the UN Security Council to release a statement condemning the massacre and blaming Israel, which was blocked by the United States.
- On 4 March, US vice president Kamala Harris stated that "President Joe Biden and I are unwavering in our commitment to Israel's security".
- U.S. officials told Congress they had approved more than 100 arms sales to Israel since 7 October.
- Jack Lew, Joseph R. Biden's ambassador to Israel, endorsed Israel's claim that it was abiding by international law during its war on Gaza.
- the U.S. Department of State accepted Israel's statements regarding its compliance with international human rights law in Gaza.
- On 30 March, the White House authorized $2.5 billion in weapons transfers to Israel.
April
- In response to a question asking whether additional weapons transfers to Israel would weaken U.S. credibility, a State Department spokesman stated, "We are committed to Israel’s right to self-defence, and this is a long-term commitment the United States has made."
- On 9 April, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the Pentagon had no evidence that Israel was carrying out a genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
- A report by ProPublica found that U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken had failed to take action on State Department recommendations that units in the Israeli army be sanctioned due to their involvement with rapes and killings.
- Biden signed a $95bn security package which included around $17bn in military aid for Israel.
- The U.S. Department of State found five Israeli army units responsible for "gross violations of human rights" prior to 7 October and that they remained eligible for military aid.
May
- Tony Blinken stated the "only thing standing between the people of Gaza and a ceasefire is Hamas". Two days later, Hamas agreed to a U.S.-negotiated ceasefire, which Israel then rejected.
- The U.S. president stated it would halt the shipment of bombs to Israel if a "major invasion" of Rafah were launched. [...] Less than a week later, however, Biden notified Congress about a $1 billion arms sale to Israel.
- US President Joe Biden said that the request of the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court to issue an arrest warrant against the leaders of Israel is cruel and the U.S. will always stand by Israel.
June
- US lawmakers have passed legislation aimed at sanctioning the International Criminal Court (ICC) over efforts by its prosecutors to issue arrest warrants for senior Israeli officials accused of war crimes in Gaza.
- The Nuseirat rescue operation was aided by intelligence support from the United States.
- Benjamin Netanyahu was invited to address a joint session of Congress, scheduled for July 24, 2024.
- The United States officially signed a Letter of Offer and Acceptance, allowing Israel to purchase 25 additional Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter jets for $3 billion dollars.
have you considered the possibility that he's a lying sack of **** scum of the earth *******?
What do you think this stuff proves? Like why is USA agreeing to sell F35s in 2028 relevant to USA not sending ammo now?
You're suggesting that all these people are liars, but you believe them sometimes, but only when it's convenient to your argument.
Just answer the questions which will easily illustrate whatever point it is you think you're making:
What does Netanyahu gain by lying about USA not sending military aid, and driving a wedge between him and Biden.
What does Netanyahu gain by getting Trump elected if Biden already gives him whatever he wants (even if he lies about it)?
This will help the conversation far more than a bunch of sealioning with absolutely no explanation for what the sealioning proves.
say whatever you think man, i'm not wasting any more time answering your stupid questions
https://www.timesofisrael.com/violent-cl...
Pro Palestinian protesters blocking the entrance of a synagogue. Is that antisemitic? Can israelis have a protest and block a mosque? (They wouldn't imo)
lol Christian priests get spit on and fundamentalist Jews are always messing around at al aqsa
Because you can't. Your argument is a bunch of conspiracy theory nonsense which you can't begin to explain.
You started at the conclusion that USA is always evil, and even when USA does what you want you need to believe they're still evil. This results in so much mental gymnastics that you can't even begin to articulate it.
Israel has definitely slowed down their offensive due to direction from the Biden administration.
Or because they are not getting as many arms as they feel they need in order to continue Rafah and also deal with Hezbollah.
I see so many tiktok videos of these guys just shooting tanks and heavy weaponry for fun and likes. not to mention all the ammo wasted on 6 yr old girls. maybe they should save it for the actual Hamas super soldiers.
I don't know if that's true, but regardless I don't think that's what is not being sent, they should have plenty of that type of ammo.
Or because they are not getting as many arms as they feel they need in order to continue Rafah and also deal with Hezbollah.
It is possible for them to destroy Rafah in a matter of weeks if they so desired, without any regard for international repercussions.
In the case of Hezbollah, I believe the primary concern is defense. In a full-scale conflict with Hezbollah, there would be a significant number of civilian casualties in Israel.
It appears that neither side is interested in engaging in a full-fledged war. However, it is difficult to predict the future.
Regardless, the absence of a full-scale war with Hezbollah has little to do with the presence or absence of US aid.
They could destroy Rafah if they wanted. I don't think they could destroy Rafah and then turn around and launch an attack on Hezbollah, and then still have enough to continue deterring Iran.
Aside from the civilian casualties, there would be a lot of infrastructure which would be destroyed. Hezbollah also can't be defeated purely from the air, Israel would have to launch a ground campaign. If Israel does decide to launch purely an air campaign then I think that would be the worst outcome for Israel.
On top of this, Israel does not want Iran to attack again. The last attack was extremely costly, even if few of the missiles actually hit. If Iran attacked more in sync with Hezbollah then it's very possible that a lot more things do hit their targets too.
Israel can handle all of these threats one at a time, I have no idea how many they can handle at the same time. I think no one here wants war, but everyone wants to know how much the other doesn't want war.
It's estimated that hezbollah has a hundred fifty thousand missiles and up to sixty thousand soldiers. The main issue isn't military aid. It is the ability to defeat this army without international boots on the ground
I pretty much agree with most of this. Regardless of rafah I don't think they can really handle a full blown out war with hezbollah and nobody wants that anyway so I don't think it's about aid or one of a time
They could destroy Rafah if they wanted. I don't think they could destroy Rafah and then turn around and launch an attack on Hezbollah, and then still have enough to continue deterring Iran.
Aside from the civilian casualties, there would be a lot of infrastructure which would be destroyed. Hezbollah also can't be defeated purely from the air, Israel would have to launch a ground campaign. If Israel does decide to launch purely an air campaign then I think that would be the worst outcome for Isra
they cant defeat a bunch of guys in flip flops and homemade rocket launchers with repurposed duds as ammo.
Yeah I think we are mostly in agreement.
