Israel/Palestine thread
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The question is very clear.
You are saying Netanyahu is annoying Biden because Biden gives him whatever he wants and Netanyahu wants Trump in power. This seems paradoxical to me because why would Netanyahu want Trump to take over the job for Biden when Biden is already giving Netanyahu everything he wants?
Netanyahu is pissy because he's only getting 90+% of what he wants from the US, so we get a public tantrum. Plus he obviously would you prefer Trump winning.
What does Netanyahu gain by getting Trump elected if Biden already gives him whatever he wants (even if he lies about it)?
It's more what he loses if Biden wins. Biden will be far freer to do what he wants rather than having to worry about trump and the election
Biden could even decide that a political solution is his legacy.
Israel’s Supreme Court has ruled in a landmark case that ultra-Orthodox Jewish seminary students must be drafted to the military.
actually google tells me its over 200 mosques
You are right, but it is still Palestinians who did this. And are proud of it, and promise to do it more. And have millions of supporters around the world cheering them on.
We shouldn't lose sight of who the actual bad guys are, home and abroad, who are enemies of civilization and will destroy everything if we let them.
Great read:
from the IPC
https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_u...
Key findings
Following the publication of the second FRC report on 18 March 2024, which projected that a Famine
would occur in the most likely scenario, a number of important developments occurred. In contrast with the
assumptions made for the projection period (March – July 2024), the amount of food and non-food commodities
allowed into the northern governorates increased. Additionally, the response in the nutrition, water sanitation
and hygiene (WASH) and health sectors was scaled up. In this context, the available evidence does not indicate
that Famine is currently occurring.
They go on to explain there is a high RISK of famine, but no famine. The ICC/ICJ drama was largely on the backs of a famine that....hasn't happened. Which is fairly typical for this conflict. Accuse in public first, prove later.
Great read:
--The sad thing is that Iran's strategy entails literally destroying the Arab countries it is using as proxies. Absolutely nothing good comes to those countries as a result of Iran's meddling. They are just used, destroyed, and discarded.
--But the Arab people are so blinded by hatred and antisemitism, they dont seem to notice or care.
But the Arab people are so blinded by hatred and antisemitism, they dont seem to notice or care.
I don't think Arabs are as monolithic as you make them out to be, even this year we've seen anti-Hamas protests in Gaza.. There is a reason Iran tends to have proxies in countries where conflicts have existed for long periods of time: extremist ideologies do well in these environments . These proxies are often forced upon the population, limiting their choices. As I mentioned earlier with the UNRWA, when there's a violent entity running things in an area, your options are pretty limited.
from the IPC
https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_u...
Key findings
Following the publication of the second FRC report on 18 March 2024, which projected that a Famine
would occur in the most likely scenario, a number of important developments occurred. In contrast with the
assumptions made for the projection period (March – July 2024), the amount of food and non-food commodities
allowed into the northern governorates increased. Addi
It's cute how you guys blithely assert that every humanitarian org is working with Hamas except when one of them has a study you can cherry-pick.
However, the situation in Gaza remains catastrophic and there is a high and sustained risk of Famine across the whole Gaza Strip. It is important to note that the probable improvement in nutrition status noted in April and May should not allow room for complacency about the risk of Famine in the coming weeks and months. The prolonged nature of the crisis means that this risk remains at least as high as at any time during the past few months.
The FRC encourages all stakeholders who use the IPC for high-level decision-making to understand that whether a Famine classification is confirmed or not does not in any manner change the fact that extreme
human suffering is without a doubt currently ongoing in the Gaza Strip, and does not change the immediate humanitarian imperative to address this civilian suffering by enabling complete, safe, unhindered, and sustained humanitarian access into and throughout the Gaza Strip, including through ceasing hostilities.
All actors should not wait until a Famine classification is made to act accordingly.
--And the true irony is that Arab society, especially in the nations IRI is using as proxies, is becoming more fundamentalist and embracing the worst aspects of Islamism. Where Iranian society itself is liberalizing and turning away from Jihad.
There is a world in our lifetimes where the Iranian people finally free themselves from the IRI and Islamism, with Iran intact and with a bright future; and all the Iranian allied failed proxy states are left holding the bag as destroyed shells.
That is of course if we can avoid direct conflict between Iran and Israel. Of course maybe the IRI wont allow this. Maybe when the writing is on the wall, out of pure spite they will initiate a direct conflict with the West to make sure Iran is destroyed along with them; and killing as many Jews as they can along the way.
I don't think Arabs are as monolithic as you make them out to be, even this year we've seen anti-Hamas protests in Gaza.. There is a reason Iran tends to have proxies in countries where conflicts have existed for long periods of time: extremist ideologies do well in these environments . These proxies are often forced upon the population, limiting their choices. As I mentioned earlier with the UNRWA, when there's a violent entity running things in an area, your options are pretty limited.
--Arab elites aren't monoliths, and a lot of them see what Iran is doing and are resisting it. And of course nothing is 100%; but the Arab people themselves (even in the Sunni states that have quietly allied themselves with Israel and the US against the IRI) are overwhelming antisemitic and supportive of the IRI's deliberate destruction of the Arab world in the name of destroying the Jews for the Ummah. Which is sad.
In fairness, Peter Zeihan argues it is also a part of Israeli geopolitical strategy to make sure it is surrounded by failed Arab states to enhance its own security. He basically argues Israel and Iran are doing the same thing. And maybe because of my biases I am discounting this part of it.
But it really feels like there isn't much Israel can do. And the IRI falling is the big domino that could set in motion events that could truly lead toward peace.
And at some point the Arab people need to get past their tribalism, hate and antisemitism. But this doesn't seem to be happening at all. Much the opposite.
It's cute how you guys blithely assert that every humanitarian org is working with Hamas except when one of them has a study you can cherry-pick.
What choice is there? The second it's not one of the "chosen sources" it's immediately questioned. All we can do is post UN leaning ones for you guys.
And again for those in the back, the ICC and ICJ made their calls based on EXISTING famine. That does not exist. That's the post. And it's unquestionably true.
You don't get arrested for a "risk" of genocide. It happened or it didn't happen. This has not happened.
In fairness, Peter Zeihan argues it is also a part of Israeli geopolitical strategy to make sure it is surrounded by failed Arab states to enhance its own security. He basically argues Israel and Iran are doing the same thing. And maybe because of my biases I am discounting this part of it.
But it really feels like there isn't much Israel can do. And the IRI falling is the big domino that could set in motion events that could truly lead toward peace.
why do you think this is?
We are talking about the war in Gaza. Nobody is trying to compare a residential murder to a full scale war...
The ICC/ICJ jumped the gun. Which is about par for the course.
Putting like a million people at a "high risk of famine" does not really seem like the innocent thing you are portraying. in fact, it seems quite bad!
Putting like a million people at a "high risk of famine" does not really seem like the innocent thing you are portraying. in fact, it seems quite bad!
There are 17 million food insecure people in Yemen. 2.2M of those are children. The full blown famine has only been averted thanks to international aid, and an entire 17M (soon 19M) are at "risk". IPC Phase 4 (humanitarian emergency) conditions exist all over the country. The number of people projected to reach that catastrophic IPC Phase 5 (famine) could increase 500% very shortly. In Yemen this is caused by civil war and external blockades.
Spoiler
--Arab elites aren't monoliths, and a lot of them see what Iran is doing and are resisting it. And of course nothing is 100%; but the Arab people themselves (even in the Sunni states that have quietly allied themselves with Israel and the US against the IRI) are overwhelming antisemitic and supportive of the IRI's deliberate destruction of the Arab world in the name of destroying the Jews for the Ummah. Which is sad.
How are you defining "antisemitic" here? Is this based on views of October 7?
None of them are monoliths. Iraq, Lebanon, Gaza all have protested Iranian influence.
Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain: all resisting Iran.
Even if they support actions against Israel, I do not think they are necessarily supportive of Iran.
In fairness, Peter Zeihan argues it is also a part of Israeli geopolitical strategy to make sure it is surrounded by failed Arab states to enhance its own security. He basically argues Israel and Iran are doing the same thing. And maybe because of my biases I am discounting this part of it.
But it really feels like there isn't much Israel can do. And the IRI falling is the big domino that could set in motion events that could truly lead toward peace.
And at some point the Arab people need
I can see this in some sense, but it seems to be missing some key key parts. Pretty sure Israel would prefer Lebanon before it became a failed state. As far as this argument goes, then clearly Assad is the "perfect" neighbor since he won't let his people ever be prosperous, is stereotypically evil, and extremely importantly has a bad military which can't threaten Israel.
The failed states argument only holds water if they can't threaten Israel. Hezbollah in Lebanon can.
