omg omg omg someone just invited me over their house #166

lol

yeah. i guess you're right.

What, why? Beside that crown dependency mumbo jumbo, as I understand it, most UK laws are indeed binding for Man, so why wouldn't you partake in voting the people who make these laws? Especially since you seem so invested in UK politics.

Because I’d have to vote in the last constituency I lived. I haven’t lived there since I was 10.

Having a say in the representation of a place I don’t live seems wrong to me. I don’t think I should be allowed to vote.

Just as I think it’s wrong for people to be able to vote in homelands that aren’t theirs.

Ok in the UK system that makes sense. Why should you vote for the MP of e.g. Nottingham. So your family lived in the UK for a while and moved back?

Ok but where is this a problem really?

Nvrmind, I have to make use of my ChatGPT license more often:

Exactly. We lived there a few years. I was a child. I should have no say in how their constituency is ran.

It’s a problem in the UK..

EU citizens can vote. Commonwealth citizens can vote. They don’t even have to be “british citizens”.

As a nationalist, I think that is wrong.

Christ, even American only lets citizens vote (last I checked).

i love your opening remarks for mein isle

You surely mean Commonwealth citizens who live in the UK? Otherwise the UK elections would be decided in India lol. But when they live in the UK what's so terribly wrong about that? They pay taxes in general, so some say in what happens with those is warranted, at least after some time living there. If they are able to vote immediately after moving to the UK I would agree that this seems wrong.

Should you ever move back to the UK would you still waiver your right to vote?

The UK had multiple constituencies with candidates that ran on platforms that basically consisted of “I’ll stand up for Palestine”.

And in a few constituencies, it worked.

That’s because immigrants tend to self isolate in to insular communities (understandable), and they tend to put their in group interests and their home countries and religion above the interests of the actual nation they’re living in.

There’s also quite a bit of economic data coming out of the Netherlands, and Denmark. Showing certain immigrant groups are actually not the economic benefit they were touted to be. They are in fact an economic drain.

So what.. I’m meant to support their right to move, support their right to cost the natives money, and support their right to vote in their own self interests?

Nah, no thanks. I’d rather be called racist.

...but at least their kids should be allowed to vote? Because they didn't chose anything?

i had no idea about any of this. it is fascinating to learn. i am from usa though, and not very well travelled.

Britain does not have birth right citizenship.

In fact, only 33 countries do…

So no.

What about their grandkids?

really? so they have to become citizens?

Yeah that's the same in Germany. Even when you're born here you have to take a test and stuff.

There would undoubtably come a point where they are automatically British citizens, but the only was to guarantee automatic British citizenship is to have at least one parent who is a British citizen.

That’s why there was a scam going around where certain women were paying certain men with British citizenship to put their names down on their child’s birth certificate. Thus making the the child a British citizen, and giving the mother right to remain.

Yes.

Which is also a nonsense.

yeah. i feel if you are born in a country your parents live in, you should automatically be a citizen. i say live there because i don't think if one is born during a vacation or something should be a citizen. guess it would be a slippery slope though.

Oh, I meant the exact opposite.

I don’t believe in magic soil.

Being born in my country doesn’t make you one of my countrymen.

Countries exist specifically to serve the interests of its people. People meaning the ethnic people occupying that land.

Ultimately, that’s what countries are (imo) the people and the culture.

Japan isn’t Japan because of the land, but because of the ethnic peoples who live on that land. Same with Germany, France, etc etc.

Your beliefs, to me, are extremely American. I can’t imagine many old world citizens feeling the same.

makes sense. like i said though, i am not very well travelled and am american. it is probably also because this country is made of immigrants (minus the native americans, but we don't need to open that can of worms). i am very naïve about other countries and their politics. as i said, it is interesting to read about here.

Just to be clear, I’m explaining my views.

I can’t speak for anyone else.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the average German genuinely does think all the Turkish and African people living there are “Germans”.

I doubt it…

i doubt it too, honestly.
i know they are just your views, but is still interesting to a foreigner like me. haha.