2024 World Series of Poker May 28th to July 17th ***No Spoilers***
The 2024 WSOP will take place at Horseshoe Las Vegas and Paris Las Vegas from May 28 to July 17, 2024, with the Main Event running from July 3 to July 17. The Main Event – poker’s undisputed freezeout world championship – will have four starting days, beginning on Wednesday, July 3. Players may also register directly on Day 2.
It is a reasonable and accurate thing to say. If you don't understand why, then maybe you should be keeping your ignorant opinions to yourself.
Stop…
Ignorant posts. Bro this is the internet, we come together to complain about people’s tank tops and complain about people’s bet sizing.
To say that the “problem” with opening K6 OTB, folded to, is that you don’t block the blinds from having POCKET ACES, is literally the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
And she said it seriously.
I think the "you don't block Aces" line was a joke after seeing the aces and some of you are taking it way too literally.
I still use checks for a couple things. I recently had to order new checks. Checks from the bank cost like $1 each now! That's insane.
Oh, but there's discount checks. Just give FlyByNightCheapChecksStartup.com all your banking information.
OT but BFD. The information on your checks is not secret. It never was intended to be. You already have gave it to everyone you ever gave a check to including everyone who touched those checks in processing.
What info on those checks do you see as risky to share and why?
Stop…
Ignorant posts. Bro this is the internet, we come together to complain about people’s tank tops and complain about people’s bet sizing.
To say that the “problem” with opening K6 OTB, folded to, is that you don’t block the blinds from having POCKET ACES, is literally the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
And she said it seriously.
She said it seriously BECAUSE SHE IS RIGHT.
You. Have. No. Idea. Of. What. You. Are. Talking. About.
Go away.
The thing about the Foxen hand is there were other hands where she was really strong with 2pair+, and took a XC-XC line. Either to slowplay or she was being cautious due to the board texture.
Now she takes a XC-XJam line with a hand that I'm not sure ever wants to do so and it's just very out of character from what we saw in previous hands.
She's never check shoving value when he bets 1/3rd of her stack on a double flush draw board? Seems unlikely.
She's never check shoving value when he bets 1/3rd of her stack on a double flush draw board? Seems unlikely.
to be fair solver does shove all QT without any spades or hearts
but agreed, vast majority of the time villain doesn't have a flush draw in his range
and in reality, once he bets that amount on the turn, they are playing for stacks unless she folds so i think in practice her line has a lot more bluffs than hands which beat top two
i think she was counting on the shove looking 100% nutted given the short stacks at the table but he snap called probably because most people with nutted hands would just call for that very reason
Doug Polk talks about the hand. The solver analysis is the most interesting part - this might actually be much closer than we think, gto it's slightly losing, but if we assume that the villian is not bet/calling with hands like ATo and will overfold here in general (which is a resonable assumption to have), this might actually become a winning play
to be fair solver does shove all QT without any spades or hearts
but agreed, vast majority of the time villain doesn't have a flush draw in his range
and in reality, once he bets that amount on the turn, they are playing for stacks unless she folds so i think in practice her line has a lot more bluffs than hands which beat top two
i think she was counting on the shove looking 100% nutted given the short stacks at the table but he snap called probably because most people with nutted hands would just
He snap called he had top 2 and it was a trivial call.
OT but BFD. The information on your checks is not secret. It never was intended to be. You already have gave it to everyone you ever gave a check to including everyone who touched those checks in processing.
What info on those checks do you see as risky to share and why?
That still doesn't mean it's for sale on the dark web. When Fly By Night Cheap Checks gets hacked, it will be. Probably cross-referenced with my social, phone number, email, etc. You can do a lot of damage with that combo.
Doug Polk talks about the hand. The solver analysis is the most interesting part - this might actually be much closer than we think, gto it's slightly losing, but if we assume that the villian is not bet/calling with hands like ATo and will overfold here in general (which is a resonable assumption to have), this might actually become a winning play
I thought it was at least debatable and what Polk says makes sense.
People way over fold towards the end of the main.
Calling it a punt being 100 percent results oriented.
This one? https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/... It was late in episode 1 on Saturday.
yes
[i also discuss it below]
There's a lot of tanking going on at both tables. I know it's the main event, but would it really be that bad to have a preflop shot clock added at some point deeper into the event? It really does ruin the stream.
tournament poker must find a solution
perhaps players begin each level with "x" number of time banks (depending on many factors obv). if you don't use a time back in a level you don't bank them... you always start each level w the same amount regardless. obv final 3 tables, or final table, etc. you could add time banks (like they sometimes add time to the levels of the later stages of some tournaments)
he raised UTG what in the world
like his range murders that board she just had the worst misread ever when she probably would've been ok cruising to the final table unreal
wouldn't say cruise
she would have been returning w 26 BBs at the new level
I think nerve got to her. From her perspective she was at 79 Milly just a few level ago and saw her stack cut in half. I think in her mind she want a stack of at least 60 Milly to face off against the other top 3 player in the field.
I think she feel a lot of pressure to get to the final table and lost track of ICM, if she fold here and come back from diner break she would still have 30+ BB.
EDIT: she
no 26 BBs at the new level
Probably the worst play I've ever seen in the Main Event and there have been some doozies. Tamayo is playing like a guy who is not trying to win, only to ladder up a spot or two. He just gave away some free chips. Foxen's raise was her worst play of the entire online stream. She could only beat a bluff and no way is Serock bluffing there! That is, if she was paying attention. This guy had been showing down the best hand on all his raises. In fact pretty much nobody but Sagle had made any meaning
this was a big fail on KrissyB's part
always lvg the table to be close to hubby and not stationed in her seat focused on table dynamics, tells, energy, etc. she really did herself a disservice in this regards
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She's never check shoving value when he bets 1/3rd of her stack on a double flush draw board? Seems unlikely.
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which PokerGo episode was the Foxen v Sagle hand (i believe AK v AQ)?
was that the last level before the dinner break on Day 6?
Level before dinner Day 7 (yesterday) I believe. I went to bed during the dinner break and I definitely watched that hand happen
here's the timestamp for those that haven't seen the Sagle (AQ) vs Foxen (AK) hand
PokerGo Day 7 (Part 1), hand begins at 6:08:43
The thing about the Foxen hand is there were other hands where she was really strong with 2pair+, and took a XC-XC line. Either to slowplay or she was being cautious due to the board texture.
Now she takes a XC-XJam line with a hand that I'm not sure ever wants to do so and it's just very out of character from what we saw in previous hands.
Yeah, Doug Polk didn't take any of that into account because he didn't watch her for days leading up to that moment.
Doug Polk talks about the hand. The solver analysis is the most interesting part - this might actually be much closer than we think, gto it's slightly losing, but if we assume that the villian is not bet/calling with hands like ATo and will overfold here in general (which is a resonable assumption to have), this might actually become a winning play
The problem with this line of argument is that Serock is also supposed to be pure betting big with TT, JT, and frequently betting big with hands like 44, 33, 22, T7s, Q8s, Q7s.
Basically he's supposed to be bluffing a ton, except in practice, he was one of the tighter players at the table, and with ICM and the Main Event at stake, it's very optimistic to think he's blasting off with 22.
If you remove or simply reduce those bluffs, now the proportion of his range that's nutted (AA, KK, AK, AJ, QT) is a much bigger percent and she's just go to "run into it" that much more frequently. This is why if we're honest with the adjustments from equilbirium , it's actually a much worse bluff.
The AT is one hand class where we hope bets big, then olds top pair on a double flush board, with is own gutshot to the nuts. I do agree this is possible but it's certainly not guaranteed especially when he snapped with the hand he did have despite it being close to dead to QT.
The only way we can end up with this bluff not being terrible is he simultaneously so tight that he's bet folding top pair + gutshot on a draw heavy board which he's not supposed to do, but he's also so loose that's he's barreling off with 22, 33, and Q8. And also making mergey bets with the 75s.
The bluff can only be "winning" if we simultaneously design Serocks range to be the biggest nit and the loosest player at the table, depending on how we need him to play specific combos.
The problem with this line of argument is that Serock is also supposed to be pure betting big with TT, JT, and frequently betting big with hands like 44, 33, 22, T7s, Q8s, Q7s.
Basically he's supposed to be bluffing a ton, except in practice, he was one of the tighter players at the table, and with ICM and the Main Event at stake, it's very optimistic to think he's blasting off with 22.
If you remove or simply reduce those bluffs, now the proportion of his range that's nutted (AA, KK, AK, AJ, QT)
you worded it very harshly, but I think that it is resonable to assume that in this specific situation, utg will:
- bluff quite a lot, possibly more than equilibrium - this is due to being a bigger stack with overwhelming range advantate. Even very tight players can typically find plenty of bluffs in massive range assymetry spots
- valuebet a bit less than he should
- call jam much less than he should
all 3 of those assumptions could shift the kqo jam into being a good play. I still think it was a bit punty given the situation, but definitely closer than people itt think
why is everyone ignoring the fact that she was on the big blind and that's like the situation players will barrell as bluff the most (utg vs. bb)
