Daniel Negreanu's very own containment thread. All things Danny go here

Yea I said it back then but it was pretty hilarious that DN is probably better at almost every form of poker than Doug but NL and yet he agreed to only play NL against him.

If the movie guy says his plan before the confrontation, then yeah, I take it at face value.

I'm not here claiming Daniel is the greatest or anything, I don't love him, I don't hate him, but he certainly acknowledged that he was a dog, with it being online and in Doug's specialty format. In the negotiations, Doug even offered half NL and half a game of DNegs choice and Daniel declined, saying he wanted it to be all NLH. He made it harder on himself when he didn't have to because he wanted the challenge. Of course, he'd have loved to be able to say at the end, "haha beat him at his speciality", but as we all know, that didn't happen.

In what world are we mocking DNegs for doing the challenge versus Doug. He gave the community something to follow.

People hate bum hunters and this was opposite. “He was a bigger dog than he thought he was!”. So?

This is not the first time he’s taken challenges. Back in 2007 or 2008 he made an open challenge to anyone in world for a 100-500K freezeout in any game they chose. He played Greenstein in Stud, a European in PLO, Joe Cassidy in LHE. IIRC he played around ten matches and booked a slim profit.

I'm mocking him for being hustled by someone he couldn't stand for a million.

He wasn't issuing a challenge like in 2007 (where at worst he'd be a slight dog in some games) he got baited into a game he had basically never played against someone who was at one point the best HU player in the world.

You are of mindset of “he was a much bigger dog than he thought!”

So he knew he was a dog and played anyway. He wanted to be challenged and be like his hero Rocky. Seemed like he knew what he was getting into which doesn’t fit definition of being hustled

But in 2007, NLHE and PLO were on list. That’s some pretty high praise you are giving DNegs by suggesting he would only be a small dog. He won the one PLO match he played and I don’t think any NLHE whiz kid stepped up. Perhaps those genuises didn’t have any confidence in their games until computers showed them how to play

I don't know about any other game. They were both probably far from world class in hu plo

I just noticed that Daniel has a Seven Star CR card. Is it possible to get that just from WSOP buy-ins? It doesn’t seem like he does much if any -EV gambling. How much in buy-ins would yiou need for that?

How many tier credits do you get per $ of rake? That amount was thrown out there before but I don’t know

But they probably just gave it to him

Update: Added 2017
The 2017 don't include the $1,111 One Drop event. Daniel kept re-buying in the event, cause it was for charity, so he didn't count it, and he didn't cash in it.

Here are some of Daniel's WSOP win/loss numbers:
2024: -$171,063
2023: -$1,039,157
2022: -$1,131,028
2021: +$399,025
2020: online ???
2019: +$1,077,492
2018: -1,393,897
2017 +$351,240
2016 ???
2015 ???

Ok, you got me.

Of course in 2007 Dnegs was obviously a crusher.

Polk baited him into playing **** talking for months and bringing Dnegs ego into play.

It was an expert hustle.

That’s a pretty good compliment you landed him, so he was one of the best overall poker players in the world including PLO in poker’s prime and it was only the advent of solvers that brought pack to him

But it wasn’t a hustle, it was a goading. DNeg’s own personal Clubber Lang. End result was same so might be meaningless but he knew what he was getting into.

I mean he was obviously elite back then overall.

It wasn't just solvers. Bad players were way worse in the glory days of online poker than they were even a few years before solvers were a thing.

In 2007 there were still tons of players who would ONLY 3 bet aces preflop in plo. They could be in the small blind with a raise and 3 callers and they'd 3 bet dog **** non suited aces when they're super deep then they'd stack off on any floop. It was quite nice.

Plo also just wasn't very common back then. It got a lot more popular later on but before solvers. Obviously when intelligent people are playing it a lot and making good money they're going to improve way more than him in a form of poker he basically never plays.
I'm not saying he was world class at it back then either.

Goading DN was the hustle.

WP Polk.

Online it's 2 TC per dollar of rake paid.
You need 150k tc for seven star .

Not sure how many TC they give for live events but id imagine you get a lot for high rollers.

Yes bc back then he was a great all around player.

How many people would want to play with him in the first place and of those who could how many had the money to do so? It was also way harder to sell back then.

They'd also have incredible spots in high stakes online games and even live games back then with way less variance.

Literally nobody is saying he wasn't well ahead of the curve back then. And he was a lot hungrier in 2007 than he is today.

I just don't understand this mentality. I don't want to get into ad hominems but it definitely says something about you that you see this as being hustled. I don't want to dick ride daniel too hard but i could see a scenario where if he traveled back in time and said "D-nuts were going to complete the challenge and lose a million but we are going to learn alot and get aton of promotion for trying." he would still sign up and go through with it. That's not being hustled and he was never guaranteed to lose. Also lets get super macro and it was a great event for poker in general. Thousands or millions of people witnessed it and put a spin on poker that you can be succesful and still take shots, you dont have to wait and only play aces.

Because he is delusional.

All the criticizing of phil hellmuth for his childlike tantrums and the game passing him by, while accurate, is the most blatant example of projecting I have ever seen.

But he's not projecting on purpose, because again, he's delusional.

So he was world class, sounds like we agree. Think it means more back then because it was based more on natural talent and learning to think it through yourself as opposed to those today standing on shoulders of established knowledge/computers.

And he did win both of his 500K PLO challenges…think some more respect needs to be placed on that Negreanu name. Think you guys go overboard although he brings it on himself acting like a clown with a selfie stick sometimes

I don’t think he’d have quite earned 150k TCs for his WSOP buy-ins this year in that case.
I think he’s had about 1.5 Million in buy-ins.
Most of the events he plays will average around 5% rake (i.e. the 10ks), and 5% of 1.5M times 2 is indeed 150k.

However, I believe the $250k is unraked, and removing this gets his buy-ins down to ~1 million, and the rake around $50k, or 100k TC. He’d get a 5k bonus for each $100k or $50k he bought into, but this would only be around 4 buy-ins, so it would get him somewhat closer but still not there.

Thanks to Dominik Nitsche feuding with Daniel along with the bracelet win the pendulum is going to shift further toward daniel is hero not villain for awhile

The pendulum also favored ****ing Kassouf for awhile, if that's any indication of how accurate this "pendulum"" is determining right from wrong.

I mean 2 things can be correct. Kassouf can be a trashbag of a human and he could also still 100 percent be in the right for that main event

But not in that dynamic, and certainly not in that moment. Doug Polk continually went after Negreanu with his "more rake is better" videos and the like. That's why the enough is enough, let's deal the cards call-out came from Daniel, not Doug.

How you got that completely backwards is anyone's guess.

Nah, Daniel did land a punch against Doug. The problem is he took three or four back in the process. But in the end, it achieved what your dad taught you: Doug has not fired at Daniel, and the two have been quite friendly ever since.

So, while Daniel never bullied Doug specifically, Doug was basically calling him out for his bullying type behavior. (and I don't think calling out a guy who advocates that more rake is good for the game in an insufferable condescending way is in anyway "bullying")