Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Crossnerd is a saint for putting up with this tornado of affair.
Umm that’s exactly how reality works.
“Sexual harassment is any unwanted sexual behavior that makes someone feel uncomfortable, scared, or humiliated. It can be verbal, visual, or physical, and can include:
Unwelcome sexual advances
Requests for sexual favors
Offensive remarks or jokes
Unwanted touching
Forcing someone to participate in sex acts
Displaying sexual behavior that creates an offensive, intimidating, or hostile work environment”
^ from A.I.
Do you guys need me to break down what “any unwanted sexual behavior that makes someone feel uncomfortable” means ?
The EEOC has defined sexual harassment in its guidelines as:
Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature when:
• Submission to such conduct is made either explicitly or implicitly a term or condition of an individual's employment, or
• Submission to or rejection of such conduct by an individual is used as a basis for employment decisions affecting such individual, or
• Such conduct has the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with an individual's work performance or creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive working environment.
Unwelcome Behavior is the critical word. Unwelcome does not mean "involuntary."
A victim may consent or agree to certain conduct and actively participate in it even though it is offensive and objectionable. Therefore, sexual conduct is unwelcome whenever the person subjected to it considers it unwelcome. Whether the person in fact welcomed a request for a date, sex-oriented comment, or joke depends on all the circumstances.
"Forcing someone to participate in sex acts" is a bit more than sexual harassment.
Well, I suppose in the sense and to the extent that murder is also assault, and armed robbery is also theft, yes, it is still sexual harassment.
That is how words work after all.
Assault is only assault if they see it coming. If you hit someone from behind and they are unawares, that’s battery my friends
^ these are all US definitions. I don’t know about the euro laws
[quote=PointlessWords]On that note, making fun of someone for not being able to conceive is def sexual harassment of the highest degree[/QUOTE]
Good thing nobody did that.
You do not know what the victim said in her private statement about it to the moderators. That is posted in his user notes.
Sure. I don't know that. But I was around and in discord chats with the victim at that time so I'm not some uniformed person on what took place there. But most importantly, I know what Mets said and the context in which it was said
Sure. I don't know that. But I was around and in discord chats with the victim at that time so I'm not some uniformed person on what took place there. But most importantly, I know what Mets said and the context in which it was said
So do I because it’s all screen shotted in his user notes. I think it’s reasonable that the person did not say the exact same thing to you as she privately confided in another female mod about how she truly felt about it. It was upsetting to read.
Victim: Omg this modding is crazy. We have players asking for fellatio in the thread lol! What do I do?"
Mets: "Well if you're offering ... 😀"
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Crossnerd: "he should have been perma banned for sexually harassing another poster"
The victim actually said she felt “disgusted and unsafe”, that she felt “sexually harassed” and “crawling out of [her] skin”, that she was having anxiety in real life over it and how she froze, that she blamed herself, that she never ever wanted to talk to him again, and that he should be banned.
You do not have all the information. I do. And I can see in her own words how she actually felt about it, and it’s upsetting.
Is that bannable?
Clearly sexual harassment imo
Victim: Omg this modding is crazy. We have players asking for fellatio in the thread lol! What do I do?"
Mets: "Well if you're offering ... 😀"
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Crossnerd: "he should have been perma banned for sexually harassing another poster"
I mean, that does seem like sexual harassment. You would be instantly fired from most jobs for that.
Are any posters employed by 2p2 here? Is Mets?
I meant it as an indication of what’s commonly considered inexcusable conduct. Whether he should have been banned for it on a poker forum is up to the mods.
Never heard of a fascist being dysfunctional enough to be guilty of sexual harassment before. They're usually so respectful of women.
If it boiled down to the victim saying she didn't want to post here any more because Mets' presence was making her feel threatened, and him being banned, I think he should have been "asked to leave".
