Israel/Palestine thread
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Bilzerian also claimed "the Jews" killed JFK, and Covid was a scam for "Israeli big pharma" to make billions. I'm not sure he is someone that anyone would want to sound like.
On the topic: has anyone asked Ja Rule what he thinks of the conflict?
Attack arguments not people
The argument is that Victor sounds like Bilzerian, which I addressed.
I havent said anything like that
In other news the Egypt delegation admitted all the "positive developments" in negotiations are fake news; and that further negotiations are useless unless Israel accepts Hamas maximalist terms, which doesn't even get them most of the hostages back anytime soon (if ever).
Bilzerian also claimed "the Jews" killed JFK, and Covid was a scam for "Israeli big pharma" to make billions. I'm not sure he is someone that anyone would want to sound like.
On the topic: has anyone asked Ja Rule what he thinks of the conflict?
You didnt argue that but its irrelevant. "Also claimed" has meaning here. Did I say he says everything vic says? did I say vic and him share all ideas?
PW, I am telling that we do not share the same ideas.
I believe the argument is not that you said all of these things. The argument is that the person saying these things sounds exactly like you.
In other news the Egypt delegation admitted all the "positive developments" in negotiations are fake news; and that further negotiations are useless unless Israel accepts Hamas maximalist terms, which doesn't even get them most of the hostages back anytime soon (if ever).
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-reje...
They told Netanyahu that the US, Egyptian and Qatari mediators regarded Israel’s demand for an ongoing presence at the Gaza-Egypt border as an indication that the prime minister is not truly interested in a deal. As such, those countries were not prepared to press Hamas with full force to accept the proposal.
netanyahu "not truly interested in a deal"? wow pretty shocked over here
if only it's been the thing he's been saying literally the entire time...
Spoiler
grim talks about it around 5:00 of this video:
he says it's a deal the biden/israel put forward in july, not sure which one that was. but i assume this is to prove that netanyahu has been telling the truth all along that he doesn't want any kind of deal.
Why is that directed towards me and not PW who claimed it? Show me where I said I agree with PW, I just brought some greater context into what Bilzerian sounds like.
yeah some of his arguments sound exactly like victors arguments.
its as if he was reading this thread
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In this case I think it's a pretty ridiculous request that Bibi agrees to Hamas's terms.
On the more encompassing negotiation both Bibi and Sinwar clearly want the war to continue.
For this 6 week ceasefire Hamas asking to be allowed to smuggle for 6 weeks is just absurd.
I believe the argument is not that you said all of these things. The argument is that the person saying these things sounds exactly like you.
I understand that the US, Qatar, and Egypt are running a full court press to pressure Israel to accept Hamas demands, which would just be a return to the Pre 10/7 status quo where Israel doesn't even get most of the hostages back in return, or even any acknowledgement which hostages are still alive.
My point is the way this is being framed is absurd. Demanding one side capitulates while the other side offers absolutely nothing is not a "deal" in any honest understanding of the word.
Hamas wants control of the border back. Ok. What are they offering in return? That is how deals work. What is going on here is not a deal.
I'm guessing he's talking about this clip
right well a lot of that I dont subscribe to.
tbh its proly a psyop of some sort.
I understand that the US, Qatar, and Egypt are running a full court press to pressure Israel to accept Hamas demands, which would just be a return to the Pre 10/7 status quo where Israel doesn't even get most of the hostages back in return, or even any acknowledgement which hostages are still alive.
My point is the way this is being framed is absurd. Demanding one side capitulates while the other side offers absolutely nothing is not a "deal" in any honest understanding of the word.
Hamas want
I largely agree in this particular case. I probably should have clarified given how often we disagree on issues itt. You can read my post before yours that I'm quoting here.
Yeah. You submitted your post while I was writing mine and I didn't see it until mine was finished.
That being said, Israeli media is reporting that Israel has been dramatically intensifying its efforts to destroy tunnels at the border. So this is some indirect evidence Israel is preparing to possibly leave, and doing as much as it can to disrupt future Hamas remilitarization efforts in the meantime.
