Israel/Palestine thread

All racism/etc

Or are you seriosuly arguing that hatred of the jews is antisemitism but hatred of the muslims is wisdom

I’m not confusing anything. If Israel didn’t exist, the US and other allies would be bearing the brunt of the attacks from radical Islamists.

You don’t know what they are capable of. Wtf are you saying?

The brunt of the attacks from radical islamists is on all other muslims , stats are very clear on that. Radical islamist terrorists first and foremost slaughter a ton of muslims, including very conservative ones, because ANY attempt to create civilized societies that can accept diversity of thought in muslim majority areas is seen as the biggest possible threat for radical terrorists.

Its funny. How come this isn't a 2 way street. How come no one is lecturing Palestinians they should be less violent, because it is going to just cause violence back? Why is no one lecturing the greater Ummah to stop encouraging Palestinian violence, as it will cause knock on effects.

Why aren't we telling Palestinians to stop militarizing their cities and using them as bases to launch military operations against other countries. Proportionately we give much more aid to Gaza/West Bank than we do to Israel. Something like 80% of Gaza's GDP is foreign aid. Israel it is like 1% or something around there.

Why dont we put pressure on them? Why do we keep writing blank checks to Hamas, watch them use the money to fire thousands of rockets at Israel, and then lecture Israel how they should respond?

I know inside the magic show everything makes sense, but I really do find it bizarre how we are completely funding one side of such a protracted conflict and have been for so long, and that is the side we have decided we have no leverage over so we shouldn't even bother trying to influence their behavior.

people do lecture Palestinians on that. but the fact is they are entitled to armed resistance by not just International Law but also basic humanity.

That’s actually a fair point. Im sure my view is skewed from consuming western media.

Check these 2 very recent horrible attacks that slaughtered a ton of people, which you problem never heard about

Terrorists attacking the people at Suleimani funeral (!!) in Iran, Sunni terrorists massacring innocent Shia muslims. Happened this year!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Kerma...

One year ago, islamic separatist terrorists attacking a conservative muslim pakistani party rally

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Khar_...

I don't recall the Palestinians ever staging an attack in the U.S.

No, you're just selectively responding to what I'm saying. Again, can you find me these alleged things I said? I don't recall them. I am asking you why you find my stance on this so problematic. Are you going to answer?

The bigotry of low expectations. They're poor brown people, so naturally we can't expect them to behave like civilized people! Meanwhile, the Israelis have the lowest civilian to combatant ratio in modern times, but people still demand a 1000% improvement on those ratios lol

As he said, Israel is the focus first and foremost. Regardless, whether they've been success or are capable doesn't change their intent and/or desire. They hate America and were celebrating in the street when 9/11 happened. With that being said, do you know who Robert F. Kennedy was? The PFLP have hijacked several planes with American passengers, including TWA Flight 840, which was an American plane.

As Vic said, people do do that. I’m more than happy to say here that I think the violence on their end is also counter productive.

I have eyes like you so yes, we have a pretty good idea of their current capabilities. But also yes, you’re correct that it’s the nations that bomb those countries that receive the bulk of the blowback, unsurprisingly.

I said radical Islamists though… who have staged attacks in the US and are currently staging attacks on US forces and personnel. You may have missed when Hamas called for a global intifada.

Palestinians are not "radical Islamists". you are conflating them with the Western backed ISIS types who are ofc enemies of the AoR.

We both know you were saying the sa and prisoner abuse allegations were fantasy when these claims started coming out.

See, even now you're doubling down and introducing some nonsense Al-jhazeera reported which is not relevant. Israeli's were protesting that the rapists are being punished and you have Knesset leaders saying the abuse of prisoners should be legal. Still think it's ''one-off rogue people''?

Anything Arab or Muslim is both radical and terrorist in the eyes of some. 2 billion blood-thirsty religious fanatics.

I'm sure Phresh would agree with the above.

"The Palestinian refugees are all Hamas spies, but we pinky swear the IDF won't bomb them if they cross the border into Egypt!" Yeah, okay man.

What is wrong with you? Seriously. Anyway, still waiting for those quotes of mine to be linked. And yes, I think any cases of Israeli's raping any prisoners is legitimately consolidated to a very, very tiny minority of people doing so. They should be brought to justice. Remember, I am the on who is openly stating anybody SAing anybody should be brought to justice. Where was I ever saying otherwise, dude?

I like how it's totally irrelevant that proven false allegations happened previously though. And who are you people even talking about? You realize you are completely inventing points that I don't hold just to argue against, right?

It should be brought to justice unless Israeli law allows for torturing terrorists in captivity when time sensitive issues exist that can save jewish lives, because if it is legal, you can disagree with it but there is no "justice" to apply.

Keep in mind no allegations are of "rape for fun" or stuff like that, which would be criminal in all circumstances, it's about alleged tortures of prisoners. Which aren't inherently all illegal actions even if they include degrading practices which can qualify as rape (allegedly).

Quite different from the rape for lust of jewish women by hamas terrorists, btw.

It might be a war crime under the geneva convention , but given palestine isn't a state the geneva convention shouldn't apply, no matter what foreign lawyers argue, and Israel like some other states didn't renounce it's sovereignty in full to some ethereal international world government, they alone decide what's legal in their land and no one else.

Moreover even under the geneva convention, only actual soldiers captured qualify as prisoners of war. Do we know if the allegation of torture apply to official soldiers of Hamas? do they even have an official army?

You're right. Palestine isn't a state therefore the Geneva convention shouldn't apply and the people being abused aren't real people because they aren't part of an official state.

I just asked this question in another thread, to get crickets as a response. Maybe you can help them out.

So Americans are taken hostage on their own soil, many of them rapped and killed. The people who do this, shoot rockets into America using schools and hospitals as cover. They send children into war zones to plant bombs, and use women and children as human bomb shields. As a culture, they are abusive to their women, will lock up or kill gay people, and have a religion which says they must kill all infidels who don't believe in their religion. 65-70% of the people who live in this country hold these exact positions of jihad. They've been doing this for decades and centuries on end, relentlessly, and have zero intention of peace, ever.... and they are your neighbors.

What's your play?

Why are you asking me? Do you think I am against what Israel is doing to Hamas?

Your position wasn't clear... so just asking anyone I guess.

I don't have a good answer to the question, but there's a lot of people who think they do apparently... I just haven't heard any of the actual solutions.