Israel/Palestine thread
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I said it was easier than for everyone else from poor countries. So not a prison.
If a problem exists that applies to every other country as well, and you don't call those prisons, can't be used to call Gaza a prison either.
And again when they reach europe, palestinians have a huge edge, most countries automatically accept their asylun requests, something that is not true for basically any other nationality (again it's true currently for ukrainians, and was true for a while for syrian).
40k is 2%
So many words to continue and push this dishonest narrative claiming Gazans can just leave Gaza when they want to. The article literally says the Egyptian border was closed to them for years and when it is open, it's a few days a year.
Honestly, if you think this article backs up your nonsensical claim you're cooked.
40k is 2% of Gaza betraise. article was in july 2019. That's 2% emigrated in 12 months.
Absent official emigration statistics, experts in Gaza estimate 35,000 to 40,000 Gazans have left since mid-2018.
An estimate, no official emigration stats. Stop claiming this as a fact. It's not.
Ye not INSTANTLY lol, still you want to leave you can ****ing leave (until 10 7). Easier than if you want to leave say Congo ok?
Ooh please. People are literally drowning trying to escape from Gaza and you're here trying to make it sound like it's as easy as hopping a plane and flying into wonder land.
Why would you leave Gaza if Israel’s destruction is imminent?
In a more serious tone, what kind of career does one have in a territory governed by a terrorist organization? Logic would be to get yourself and your loved ones as far away as fast as possible.
"I don't want to sleep [while] I'm afraid from the bombings and the missiles, whether from the Israelis or from Hamas," she says. "I know that I have a nice apartment, and life in Gaza is nice when it's peaceful. But when the escalation comes, I change my mind. I say, no, I want to get the hell out of here."
This doesn't seem all that crazy tbh.
It is a little crazy when the government is comprised of radical Islamic terrorists, I think you can agree to that. You seem sensible enough that we don’t have to delve into why Hamas is a much less reliable government than some other Islamic regimes.
How much of an opportunity these people have had to flee, I really don’t know.
So far the claims for the hostage are:
IDF freed him
Hamas freed him (lol)
He managed to escape then hid until IDF found him.
It is a little crazy when the government is comprised of radical Islamic terrorists, I think you can agree to that.
How much of an opportunity these people have had to flee, I really don’t know.
Yeah I agree.
Simply put, they border Egypt and Israel and both borders are closed, have been closed mostly. I'd imagine leaving Gaza is very difficult and no where near as easy as the clown from Italy tried to make us believe it was.
But hey, it might be easier than leaving Congo so what do I know.
The article which you evidently didn't read accurately said that from mid 2018 the gate was ALWAYS OPEN, and before it was opens some days every month.
And you should abstain from personal insults, and discuss the claims only.
I did read it. The article was written on July 4 2019, the gate suddenly opened May 2018. If that's your definition of ALWAYS OPEN you're even more dishonest than I already think you are.
The article literally starts with saying it's difficult to leave Gaza yet Luciom will have us believe it's easy to leave.
In recent years, this gate has been open only a couple of days every few months
Look at that. Another lie.
And you should abstain from personal insults, and discuss the claims only.
When I see a clown, I name him clown.
They miscalculated thinking Israel would trade anything for him
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The stuff Hamas does is so deplorable you can’t even post about it in here. Wow.
but why?
do you understand that one hamas guy killed in combat makes like 4-10 more hamas guys due to recruiting efforts and BLOWBACK?
I generally agree with you here but military capability still trumps anger in the short term -meaning a decade or so.
That stems throughout and it matters when someone like hamas or even hez are dealing with severe economic problems and what they can achieve militarily.
Don't regret it. You make up stuff and then back it up with straight up lies.
You should learn how to say ''I don't know''. Have some humility, you don't know everything.
Apparently calling someone a clown is so egregious it warrants a time out.
New Human Rights Watch Report on Israeli Prisons: Palestinian Healthcare Workers Chained, Starved, Sexually Abused
Arresting healthcare workers while they're doing their job during a conflict that is lacking exactly those people.
Yikes.
Can't wait for Luciom to explain how raping prisoners with M16s is fine.
Arresting healthcare workers while they're doing their job during a conflict that is lacking exactly those people.
Yikes.
Can't wait for Luciom to explain how raping prisoners with M16s is fine.
like "journalists" I have no reason to believe they weren't also Hamas material supporters or members of Hamas themselves.
being an "healthcare worker" doesn't allow you in any way to help terrorists achieve their aims, or to be a terrorist yourself.
there is nothing strange with many of them being treated like material supports or members of Hamas, because they are, like "journalists" and the rest.
not that I believe anything produced by anyone who isn't 100% pro Israel, in this conflict.
Yeah not even a little bit surprised that that is your stance.
I typed ''bet luciom is going to tell us they're all Hamas members'' but went with the more extreme example of you justifying rape with m16s.
like "journalists" I have no reason to believe they weren't also Hamas material supporters or members of Hamas themselves.
being an "healthcare worker" doesn't allow you in any way to help terrorists achieve their aims, or to be a terrorist yourself.
there is nothing strange with many of them being treated like material supports or members of Hamas, because they are, like "journalists" and the rest.
not that I believe anything produced by anyone who isn't 100% pro Israel, in this conflict.
If you materially support the IDF should you be punished in the same way?
there is no reason to believe any claim by anyone who hasn't been 100% pro Israel without wavering.
it's not complicated, we have known for many years pally wood and it's many antisemitic western allies make up an insane quantities of lies to put Israel in a bad light. none is to be believed.
it's incredible rational people can believe any of that.
there is no content you can publish from any source that isn't pro Israel that is ever going to make me change your mind
there is no reason to believe any claim by anyone who hasn't been 100% pro Israel without wavering.
it's not complicated, we have known for many years pally wood and it's many antisemitic western allies make up an insane quantities of lies to put Israel in a bad light. none is to be believed.
it's incredible rational people can believe any of that.
there is no content you can publish from any source that isn't pro Israel that is ever going to make me change your mind
Actually quite the opposite is happening. It's incredible people like you convince themselves a specific nation is incapable of committing war crimes and when faced with confirmations of said crimes, yes I know you don't believe they are war crimes cause bla bla, you justify it with nonsense such as ''torture is fine in time sensitive situations''.
There's simply too many similar claims, anecdotes, reports and what not to believe Israel is 100% innocent.
content published by enemies isn't confirmation of anything.
I suppose you get it with any bullshit Russia uses to "confirm" anything.
it works the same for the enemies of Israel, which include a lot of western people and institutions and organizations.
it doesn't in general matter how many leftists claim something, it never becomes true just because they claim it.
lol at using antisemitic leftists confirming antisemitic leftist claims as proof of anything if not their antisemitism.
wait I thought the Palestinians were far right Islamofascists? now you are telling me they are antisemitic leftists?
content published by enemies isn't confirmation of anything.
I suppose you get it with any bullshit Russia uses to "confirm" anything.
it works the same for the enemies of Israel, which include a lot of western people and institutions and organizations.
it doesn't in general matter how many leftists claim something, it never becomes true just because they claim it.
lol at using antisemitic leftists confirming antisemitic leftist claims as proof of anything if not their antisemitism.
IDF raping prisoners with M16s is anti-Semitism.
We have finally gone full circle.
