2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Reduce the age of consent to 16 and then most minor surgeries suddenly become not minor surgeries. Plus it will make libertarians very happy so it’s a win-win.
Dems were totally butthurt about 2016 to the point of claiming that Russia meddled because they put out some propaganda.
james comey won trump the 2016 election by legitimizing and amplifying the but her emails stuff, it's so funny how libs memory hole'd that
Dems were totally butthurt about 2016 to the point of claiming that Russia meddled because they put out some propaganda.
Russia absolutely interfered in our elections, that’s delusional to think otherwise. The question is whether there was collusion on top of the interference. With Trump asking Russia to release the emails and met with a Russian lawyer accompanied by a campaign advisor with deep ties to Russia that was sent to prison for hiding money, I’d say there’s at least evidence of it.
You’re just parroting bs talking points
Russia absolutely interfered in our elections, that’s delusional to think otherwise. The question is whether there was collusion on top of the interference. With Trump asking Russia to release the emails and met with a Russian lawyer accompanied by a campaign advisor with deep ties to Russia that was sent to prison for hiding money, I’d say there’s at least evidence of it.
You’re just parroting bs talking points
How many ballots or voting machines did Russia interfere with?
Russia put out an extremely sophisticated propaganda machine in 2016, no doubt. That's not "interfering with an election". That's a game that the U.S. plays in just about every significant global election.
Russia 100% interfered for Trump. Tons of propaganda on fb and then people like manafort and papadapolous were doing backroom deals with the Russians
In 2020 the Chinese prob helped rig it for Biden
This is an classic strategy where you support both sides so both sides can say (rightfully) that the other side is corrupt
It’s always so lol that Dems think 2020 was legit but 2016 was a scam
While repubs think 2016 was legit but 2020 was a scam
And both parties tell me I’m an idiot when I point this out to them
Those pesky libs, caring about trump being the beneficiary of Russian propaganda. What idiots!
Russia 100% interfered for Trump. Tons of propaganda on fb and then people like manafort and papadapolous were doing backroom deals with the Russians
In 2020 the Chinese prob helped rig it for Biden
This is an classic strategy where you support both sides so both sides can say (rightfully) that the other side is corrupt
It’s always so lol that Dems think 2020 was legit but 2016 was a scam
While repubs think 2016 was legit but 2020 was a scam
And both parties tell me I’m an idiot when I point this
I guess we're playing semantics. All participation in messaging isn't interference.
Russia put out an extremely sophisticated propaganda machine in 2016, no doubt. That's not "interfering with an election". That's a game that the U.S. plays in just about every significant global election.
it wasnt even sophisticated. they just paid a bunch of kids in Vladivisok and St Petersburg to post memes. like, at most it cost a few million.
meanwhile theres a new misinfo scheme in the West every other week.
ffs last week a bunch of supposedly black liberals were posting in unison about like "what did the Watermelon people ever do for us?".
Russia 100% interfered for Trump. Tons of propaganda on fb and then people like manafort and papadapolous were doing backroom deals with the Russians
In 2020 the Chinese prob helped rig it for Biden
This is an classic strategy where you support both sides so both sides can say (rightfully) that the other side is corrupt
It’s always so lol that Dems think 2020 was legit but 2016 was a scam
While repubs think 2016 was legit but 2020 was a scam
And both parties tell me I’m an idiot when I point this
It’s not the best take. Neither were scams
its so funny to read this and then minutes later read a tweet that just lays bare the liberal hypocrisy.
and ofc I always do my due diligence and yep.
Ignoring the fact that you are a blatant victim of Russian propaganda (ironically), what does lobbying (which I also disagree with) have to do with external propaganda from our biggest geopolitical enemies
Ah the ole motte and bailey technique of argumentation. “Russia didn’t interfere in an election” becomes “Russia didn’t interfere with voting machines”.
By the way, Russia seems to have found vulnerabilities in our election system in all 50 states during the 2016 election. So even if they didn’t find evidence of vote switching, we know that they had the ability and were taking active steps to do so.
james comey won trump the 2016 election by legitimizing and amplifying the but her emails stuff, it's so funny how libs memory hole'd that
I thought it was supposed to be Russian troll farms what lost the election.
But wait...did Comey lie? If Comey was honest wouldn't it be the underlying crime committed by Hillary which should be seen as the cause (if you are going to put any weight on that at all)? How are you going to blame the prosecutor for the crime?
Ignoring the fact that you are a blatant victim of Russian propaganda (ironically), what does lobbying (which I also disagree with) have to do with external propaganda from our biggest geopolitical enemies
curious what Russian propaganda I subscribe to or read? I live in the USA and believe USA propaganda to a fault.
lets look at 2 things I believed and posted about repeatedly.
1. I fully thought Ukraine would overrun Russia with superior NATO weaponry and tactics
2) I fully thought Israel would destroy Hamas and find the hostages in a few weeks or months at most
Oh no not (((AIPAC)))! You realize this is not a foreign government right but people that support Israel domestically?
so propaganda is ok if it comes from Americans? even if it is in support of a foreign country? but proly not if it was in support of Russia tho? or North Korea or China or Congo or Burkina Faso or Cuba?
I realize your hypocrisy. thats the one thing I realize more than anything else.
Russia did a bunch of (mostly true) facebook memes and thats why the Ukraine war happened.
No
They were advanced maps and websites and groups with active members who posted about how Hillary was stealing the election and how she lost. They had maps showing 90% of the US voting for Trump and it was very well done. I paused a number of times during the 2016 election and asked myself, who is making these maps?? They are so well done but it’s not like a well done meme, it’s well done political lies.
I don’t know what happened in 2020 wrt how it was ****ed but it is naive to think the Russians ****ed us in 2016 and then just gave up
curious what Russian propaganda I subscribe to or read? I live in the USA and believe USA propaganda to a fault.
lets look at 2 things I believed and posted about repeatedly.
1. I fully thought Ukraine would overrun Russia with superior NATO weaponry and tactics
2) I fully thought Israel would destroy Hamas and find the hostages in a few weeks or months at most
so propaganda is ok if it comes from Americans? even if it is in support of a foreign country? but proly not if it was in support of
I wouldn’t have looked at our military track record since Vietnam and believed either 1 or 2 could possibly be true.
But you don’t think it’s odd the I/P conflict has you converted to full blown anti American gooner? Right before a critical election? Doesn’t raise your eyebrows even slightly?
Ah the ole motte and bailey technique of argumentation. “Russia didn’t interfere in an election” becomes “Russia didn’t interfere with voting machines”.
By the way, Russia seems to have found vulnerabilities in our election system in all 50 states during the 2016 election. So even if they didn’t find evidence of vote switching, we know that they had the ability and were taking active steps to do so.
If Russia tampered with actual voting, I'll concede that they interfered, yes. I just don't see how spreading fake news is anything the U.S. government and PACs aren't justified in doing. It's unethical. It's sleazy. It isn't preventing any part of the process from properly being carried out, though.
If we're gonna call fake news "interference," where does it end? Fox News, Al Jazeera, MSNBC, CNN, the plethora of expressions of free speech through blogs and individual personal X accounts? We're talking about a slippery slope toward preventing free speech.
That said, if we wanna classify Facebook and X as media corporations and regulate them as such, that's another story for another thread. But social media networks allowing the flood of fake news from bots and even mainstream media sources is on social media networks, not the unregulated users of social media.
bruv Ive been explicitly anti-American for like 4 year ffs lol
