2024 ELECTION THREAD

Jebus, the magtards are in full magtard mode today.

Actually she did. Then she debated your orange god and kicked his ass. Guess who won't debate again, and while you're at it, maybe try to figure out why.

Hint

Bahbah is a lying POS and a clown who shows up on the reg to push dogshit MAGA talking points. It has been thus for the best part of 10 years.

She sat down for one short interview and with a friendly network and friendly host for 20 minutes and had to have her VP at her side in case she got off script. Your right Trump got his ass kicked because he is a temper tantrum juvenile yet she routinely never answered questions. Trump is a fool not to debate .

I wish the GOP dumped him and went with someone else but its not going to happen .

Respectfully, I don't see it that way.

Tribalism is a real thing. If you're surrounded by a lot of people who only think a specific way, going against the grain takes real courage, because you risk losing a lot of people. In order to fight off fascism, we need to depend on enough of these people to do what they know is right in their core. We know that if you're racist, or misogynistic, or homophobic, you're going to be a part of MAGA. And not that all MAGA are those things of course. But they know the people they are keeping company with, probably don't have the correct value set. You can only fool yourself for so long. We need to be encouraging them to have the courage to break away and know there's a place for them when the decide to do the right thing.

Hating on them isn't going to help that at all. I'm plenty guilty of doing it, and need to make sure I'm constantly checking myself because it can be frustrating and sad of course to hear the things MAGA is ok with.

Even though I disagree with basically everything the guy says I wouldn’t label him a terrible poster if not for his frequency. Every single thread is inevitably dominated by his bile, whataboutism, exaggerations and outright lies and constant back and forth by other posters. Even if you have him on ignore it’s legit impossible to avoid him if you read here

Bahbah has been this way since before MAGA was a thing. He's a partisan idiot through and through and that's never going to change.

And if you want to go all "MAGA chodes aren't dumb/bad people, just misunderstood", that's all you bro. Count me out.

What you seem to fail to realize is that it isn't just about "being mean." It's about being targeted for harrassment, discrimination, and even hate crimes because of his rhetoric. That isn't just being mean. You don't understand that because you don't have to understand that. Again, everything you are saying absolutely REEKS of privilege.

this is really tone deaf for two reasons

you both ignore your own tribalism and also think you only go after the far right yet you regularly attack me for posting center leftist views because they aren't liberal enough to your liking

I saw you make an effort to call out some posts in the trans thread and I wanted to let you know that I appreciated that effort

That's not remotely true. I have very different views about Israel/Palestine than my "tribe", and I've defended my position there. I have different views about a pretty wide range of things than people on the left, but my core value is that I always stand up to injustice.

I've never attacked you for not being left enough. I've gone after you for not understanding the folly of 3d party voting.

Well, what's your goal?

If it's to change minds, that's obviously not going to do it.

If it's to waste time and get people to dig in more, then that will be in inevitable outcome w/ that approach.

most Democratic partisans hold the most hate for leftists or even liberals that dont hold the exact same views. they will always side with fascism to avoid moving an inch left.

I don't have a specific goal for posting here other than personal entertainment. You aren't going to change any MAGA chodes' minds anyway.

honestly i'd do it more often but those guys are so outnumbered there's no need to beat a dead horse as by the time i've seen it 2 other posters have already called it out

I need you to understand that you are posting here for my entertainment, too.

Well, there you go. At least you're clear about what you're doing.

What's your position on trans issues?

That's a pretty big straw man. Nothing we do or don't do will really matter. Obama, Harris and Biden have all been very respectful to
maga morons and Trump style demonization of voters isn't really part of the democratic strategy . That's why any false equivalency is so hollow.

I respectfully disagree.

I've changed the minds of hardcore, and I mean hardcore, maga supporters. In person, not in forums per say that I know of. But it took several years and several lunches.

I mean on a pseudonymous forum. I doubt any of us act the same way in real life or even on Facebook that we do here.

i don't view the ip thread but i'm assuming you're saying that you are on the side of palestine despite being jewish

supporting palestine would be heavily in line with your far left views

and it would not be wholly out of character for a jew to hold those beliefs with polls showing anywhere from 1/3 to a slight majority of jews in america disagree with israel's actions (especially if you look at our generation and younger)

this is also mirrored by my anecdotal experience - about half of my core group of friends are jewish, members of my family are married to jews, people naturally assume i'm jewish until they realize how stupid i am, etc

so that's kind of a strawman argument where you're equating departing from your culture/religion (and then not even a massive majority) when we're talking about political beliefs of which you continue to tow the line and did not deviate despite that you had many compelling personal factors to do so

now i would agree it would be a massive departure in the event that i misread that and you weren't talking about religion and instead saying that you are pro-israel's policy towards gaza and if that's indeed the case then feel free to speak up

I get why you're defensive here, but surely you agree that a politics discussion board doesn't have to be an open sewer for unfettered hate speech?

There is no unfettered hate speech here. Your definitions of "hate speech" and "racism" are way outside the realms of anything that is remotely defensible. Your definitions here are about the same as Luciom's definitions of "leftism" in terms of adhering to any reasonable standard.

You've projected what you think I am since about the first time you responded to me. You've been wrong the whole time, but I didn't care to correct you honestly.

I'm not Jewish, nor religious for that matter. I'm on the side of Israel being able to defend itself against religious extremism, despite occupying section C of the west bank.

I'm also not in mainstream liberal views on trans issues. I respect the right of everyone to do what they want, as long as they are not harming others, but I also acknowledge the necessity of recognizing sex at birth for a whole host of reasons. There can be some exceptions when sex is not easily identifiable.