ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
This is the narrative, the reality is different.
Democrat senators wanted that vote to show they were "tough enough" on immigration in a year with a terrible electoral map for the democrats in the senate.
Fellow democrats helped them get to that point, although 6 of them refused to support the bill and voted with most republicans to filibuster it.
McConnell wanted the help to Ukraine and the immigration bill.
Republicans in the senate never agreed on the bill, McConnell spent all his residual pol
Brother not even Trump is denying that he killed the bill why are you contesting facts not at issue. At this point this is a conspiracy theory.
Brother not even Trump is denying that he killed the bill why are you contesting facts not at issue. At this point this is a conspiracy theory.
Oh he has bragged to have killed it, but why do you think he has that power though, given he tried the same with Ukraine aid but failed?
It's a little twisted that some of you both correctly assess Trump to be very bad in general skill-wise, and then are determined to claim he can control extremely powerful senators who have their self interest at heart much more than they could ever care about Trump opinion.
I mean we keep going with everything he says as "lol can't believe him on this" EXCEPT when magically it's good for your narrative to actually believe him?
GOTCHA LIBTARD
Oh he has bragged to have killed it, but why do you think he has that power though, given he tried the same with Ukraine aid but failed?
It's a little twisted that some of you both correctly assess Trump to be very bad in general skill-wise, and then are determined to claim he can control extremely powerful senators who have their self interest at heart much more than they could ever care about Trump opinion.
I mean we keep going with everything he says as "lol can't believe him on this" EXCEPT w
I believe that he called them up and told them not to go along with it, and they calculated that it was better to kill it for their partisan political gain. It was already going to be hard to pass and him coming out against it effectively made it impossible.
Obviously he has no real power to kill anything, but that’s not what we’re talking about here. Ukraine is a way different situation because it has broad bipartisan support, so they don’t need that many reps to sign on, a deal on immigration has been attempted to be secured since Regan with consistent failure.
Oh he has bragged to have killed it, but why do you think he has that power though, given he tried the same with Ukraine aid but failed?
It's a little twisted that some of you both correctly assess Trump to be very bad in general skill-wise, and then are determined to claim he can control extremely powerful senators who have their self interest at heart much more than they could ever care about Trump opinion.
I mean we keep going with everything he says as "lol can't believe him on this" EXCEPT w
The Ukraine thing has a lot more moving parts involved.
This is the narrative, the reality is different.
Democrat senators wanted that vote to show they were "tough enough" on immigration in a year with a terrible electoral map for the democrats in the senate.
Fellow democrats helped them get to that point, although 6 of them refused to support the bill and voted with most republicans to filibuster it.
McConnell wanted the help to Ukraine and the immigration bill.
Republicans in the senate never agreed on the bill, McConnell spent all his residual pol
Why you believe democrats didn’t want it for real ?
Didn’t under Obama democrats made huge deportation ?
It’s not a narrative, it’s fact .
A great bill tanked by trump for election purposes that profits him , not the country Interest .
Why you believe democrats didn’t want it for real ?
Didn’t under Obama democrats made huge deportation ?
It’s not a narrative, it’s fact .
A great bill tanked by trump for election purposes that profits him , not the country Interest .
And you don’t think the Dems finally got serious on illegal immigration for political reasons
I believe that he called them up and told them not to go along with it, and they calculated that it was better to kill it for their partisan political gain. It was already going to be hard to pass and him coming out against it effectively made it impossible.
Obviously he has no real power to kill anything, but that’s not what we’re talking about here. Ukraine is a way different situation because it has broad bipartisan support, so they don’t need that many reps to sign on, a deal on immigration h
What i meant and i think you understood is that they didn't need convincing.
tweeting/truthing that you HATE arguably the most popular and beloved person in the whole country is certainly a choice..
Had to see it
Sane
Disagree. People don’t introduce bipartisan legislation that they think has no chance of passing.
oh I am not claiming democrats thought the chances were 0, nor the few McConnell republicans who tried it did.
Lankford thought he had a shot.
just saying ex post we now know he didn't , and it wasn't because of Trump.
oh I am not claiming democrats thought the chances were 0, nor the few McConnell republicans who tried it did.
Lankford thought he had a shot.
just saying ex post we now know he didn't , and it wasn't because of Trump.
We can’t trust Republicans reported support of certain legislation after it has already been killed by Trump. Remember, these are the same people that talk about how much they hate Trump behind the scenes and then fellate him in the public eye.
Ten republicans was all that’s needed, you don’t think there are ten Republicans that think it’s a good idea to add more border security agents and immigration judges?
We can’t trust Republicans reported support of certain legislation after it has already been killed by Trump. Remember, these are the same people that talk about how much they hate Trump behind the scenes and then fellate him in the public eye.
Ten republicans was all that’s needed, you don’t think there are ten Republicans that think it’s a good idea to add more border security agents and immigration judges?
They didn't, Lankford tried a long shot. The house accepted that but senate republicans never supported a stand alone moderately rightwing immigration bill in an election year to make the incumbent democrat president, and incumbent Democrat senator in purple areas, look like winners. They never supported that for a second, ever.
There is a seat in Montana to win for republicans. A seat in ohio.do you really think they want to give anything to the democrat incumbent to use this year?
McConnell republicans play a different game from safe seats. And the turtle IS LEAVING, he doesn't care anymore if republicans have the majority. He is leaving.
Real politicians want to win above everything else, all of them. Win their own games. No I don't think 10 republican senators exist who want to give a better chance to democrats to keep the Senate. being a senator is powerful. Being a senator in the majority in the Senate is EXTREMELY powerful
Imagine thinking trump was an alpha after being triggered by Taylor Swift making an Instagram post.
What a $&@$#%! toddler.
edit, dang. Post #44444. Jealous?
Imagine thinking trump was an alpha after being triggered by Taylor Swift making an Instagram post.
What a $&@$#%! toddler.
edit, dang. Post #44444. Jealous?
Trump isn't an alpha, without family money he would be a janitor or something like that making some side money booking sport bettings for the people in the office
