Israel/Palestine thread

Israel has killed every leader of Hezbollah.

That's impressive.

Anybody else wanna mess with them?

Just read the post Victor made on how the West is particularly murderous. You'll get there from there.

When you lob rockets at a much more powerful nation you're gonna get pummeled.

Did you ever consider that Israel is doing what it's doing to prevent more of it's civilians from being killed by Hezbollah rockets?

I read Vic's posts, I don't see what they have to do with Sudan, and it's abundantly clear that you're not prepared to discuss this in good faith or you wouldn't need to keep dodging the question. It's just more whataboutism.

how many Israeli civilians have been killed by these rockets ?

you said more .

Well in a perfect world, Nas gets hit in the side of the temple by a missle named grammas dildo, the rockets stop, and Israel stays the **** out of Lebanonand Bibi dies of a heart attack the next day.

apparently Israel took out the entire leadership of HB today. but they also just launched 20 airstrikes on Beirut in the last few hours. weird. I mean, I am not denying they killed those guys, but why are they still bombing when those guys are dead?

now, many in this thread lack critical thinking and have very disconnected relationship with reality. but I think dont think our recent celebrating returnee is part of that group.

Lol. That’s an easy one to figure out. You can do much better. Hopefully ole Nasrallah got eliminated.

if its so easy, you and the rest should just come out and say it.

They are attacking known weapons depots. It is actually pretty wild seeing all the secondary explosions when the depots get hit. And obviously they are attacking weapons depots so whoever ends up with the weapons cant use them to attack Israel moving forward.

Being the pacifist and lover of humanity you are, I am sure you can appreciate rockets and cruise missiles being destroyed.

like I said, much of this thread is disconnected from reality.

This is tangentially related to current events, but the Houthis did a major attack on the US Navy in the Red Sea in the last day; and what makes this even more wild is the leftist MSM is mostly not reporting it at all (maybe it is buried somewhere, but certainly isn't wrong page news). You have to go to Fox News or Al Jazeera to find out about it.

Because the lefist media cant figure out any way to make the attack fit any preferred narrative, they are just going to pretend it never happened. Kind of wild that the US Navy is being directly attacked by IRI proxies, and not only are we not responding in any meaningful way, we are pretending it isn't even happening at all.

Absolutely. Since most of the posters in this thread are pseudo-pacifists who actually liked when Israel was hit by a terrorist attack and think that you should do nothing when enemy nations on your border attack you, it’s definitely disconnected from reality.

Nothing. Hezbollah should lay down their arms and dissolve their organization. You don’t get to attack a country for a year straight with zero provocation and expect no retaliation.

If Oct 7 is so bad to you, why are you complaining about Israel taking out a group that explicitly supported Oct 7 and backed it up with military action?

its Israel who has killed much more civilians. how many Israeli civilians have been killed because of Lebanon ?

I thought it was horrible bc I shamefully bought into way too many of the lies from the USA and Israel. beheaded babies, burned alive babies, mass rape. its all bullshit. now it is understood that an occupied and sieged and oppressed people have the moral and legal right to armed resistance.

Whether a war is just isn’t measured by looking how many people died on each side. If you provoke another country by invading it or by sending rockets at it, expect retaliation. It’s called casus belli. And if you continue your attack even if it’s hopeless, that doesn’t mean they have to stop attacking you.

The fact that you’re even asking this question shows you’re not even thinking about the right questions to ask.

yet no one here on the IDF's side can give a number on Israeli civilians killed.

so if 2000 civilians get killed in Israel it's ok and just part of the war ?

He was replying to a quote that said "this (lack of regard to civilian lives) is just (part of) Western values. We are taught that its okay to kill as many civilians as we want. they arent even human really".

He proceeded by showing non-Western incidents where similiar or identical thinking and actions seemed to occur, therefore showing that these are not "just Western values", but perhaps we need to find a different way to categorize these values, as the "geographic/cultural" ones do not seem to be sufficent.

He was not actually refuting, nor agreeing, that Western civilization supports those values. Only that if they do, that quality is not a Western-only attribute and therefore the quote is wrong in the correlation it is trying to make between A (alleged actions) and B (alleged actions happend because of western values).

Whether you agree with him or not, I hope it helps, as I've been trying to read the thread and it's been quite distracting to see you struggle with it.

any number is ok yes if it happens while Israel is disarming it's opponents, and every single one of those deaths is entirely on Hezbollah and their supporters, they are the only people responsible for all of this.

defense is always legitimate, always moral, and if it has negative collateral effects the moral responsibility for them is always entirely on the side that attacked first unprovoked and generated the defensive reaction

The point of the war is that the people that died were not in any sort of militarily relevant capacity. It was purely a terrorist attack. The people that are supporting the war against Israel militarily have a debt to pay. So long as Israel is attacking military targets, they have justification to continue the war.

Proportionality has to do with the nature of the targets you attack and that you are making sure the targets you are attacking serve a strategic/military purpose. Furthermore, a country is not allowed to use their civilians and civilian infrastructure as shields.

Said many times before but there are countless examples of violent attacks not being responded to with deliberately slaughtering 200k+ civilians.

KKK, IRA, Basque sepratists, Islamist attacks in UK, France, Spain as well as many attacks that are considered fair by the aggressors because they used conventional warfare, which magically makes it ok, like Iraq.

So it's not "reality" that if a bad thing happens to you, you then just automatically get to murder as many civilians as you like.

It's just reality that Israel is doing so.

“200k+ civilians” is the figure you’re quoting and yet you’re lecturing another person on what reality is or isn’t. Are you trolling me? Did you add an extra zero on accident?