Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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It wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to conclude that Iran are a bunch of chicken hawks for arming a bunch of kids just to tell them to go **** themselves once they get some pushback that threatens their supplier, but Iran's decisions is kind of an important tell here.
Israel-Hezbollah conflict: What is behind Iran's restraint?
"Iran's position is that Shiite Islam can only survive if the Iranian system survives, and accordingly, Iran does not want to put itself in substantial danger," he said.
There also appears to be another rationale behind Tehran's position.
"We saw [Iranian President Masoud] Pezeshkian at the General Assembly in New York sending conciliatory messages to the West by talking about the willingness of Iran to reengage with nuclear talks," RUSI's Ozcelik said.
Maybe Iran is just growing up but even but even strategically, the next chapter of hamas/hez - as they aren't going anywhere - has lost a major degree of confidence in support and in accomplishing their goals.
I'm still rolling with the possiblity that there could be some incredible transformation between Iran and the west.
There could be and its something the west should be pursuing hard. Might help that russia is occupied elsewhere.
But I somehow doubt netenyahu is looking at it that way. The path he is on can't let Iran sit by until they have nukes.
It wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to conclude that Iran are a bunch of chicken hawks for arming a bunch of kids just to tell them to go **** themselves once they get some pushback that threatens their supplier, but Iran's decisions is kind of an important tell here.Israel-Hezbollah conflict: What is behind Iran's restraint?Maybe Iran is just growing up but even but e
Hezbollah wasn't Hamas. Hezbollah was widely considered the most structured terrorist organization around, with command and control hierarchy, armed-forces-like deployment, training, logistics and so on.
Btw it isn't and wasn't Iran only, Qatar financed those groups as well
there have been two more terrorist attacks from israel today (as in, attacks on terrorists)
the result is that two more hez commanders have been eliminated
And another two will take their place and more people will become Hezbollah.
Such progress!
it doesnt seem that hezbollah is getting stronger through all this. you seem to disagree but i am absolutely sure that you are wrong
it comes across as wishful thinking
Unconfirmed yet but multiple twitter accounts report a major helicopter crash in Iran which supposedly killed IRGC and Houthi leaders
is anyone in iran wondering whether this was all a waste of resources
im sure they get a bulk buy discount on the groovy yellow headbands, but 200,000 rockets cant be cheap and the return on investment so far is about 10 dead kids who werent even jewish
could that money have been better spent elsewhere?
Maybe it will be 50 years. Maybe it will be 100. But eventually the world is going to move on from using fossil fuel resources for energy. And it is pretty wild that on its current trajectory Iran will have absolutely nothing to show from the vast supply of potential wealth because of horrible political decision making.
Contemporary nations like China and India, without this hoard of resources that started way behind Iran in industrializing and modernizing are sending astronauts to space, while the IRI is sending ballistic missiles to Houthis.
Such a contrast.
In the modern world, antisemitism is such a nihilistic, self-destructive dead end; and having antisemitism as the central pillar of your entire worldview is just a recipe for disaster.
Maybe it will be 50 years. Maybe it will be 100. But eventually the world is going to move on from using fossil fuel resources for energy. And it is pretty wild that on its current trajectory Iran will have absolutely nothing to show from the vast supply of potential wealth because of horrible political decision making. Contemporary nations like China and India, without thi
I think it's a fairly normal agency problem, without Israel existence the clerics wouldn't be in power, and what benefits the clerics doesn't necessarily benefit the population
In the modern world, antisemitism is such a nihilistic, self-destructive dead end; and having antisemitism as the central pillar of your entire worldview is just a recipe for disaster.
This worldview has certainly ended in disaster for at least one other nation state.
told you guys they would start targeting the displaced after the outpouring of goodwill and hospitality in giving shelter.
I think it's a fairly normal agency problem, without Israel existence the clerics wouldn't be in power, and what benefits the clerics doesn't necessarily benefit the population
Given the last 40 years of rhetoric, in 2024 this may be true. But the Palestinians aren't even Shia, so in theory the revolution could have just focused on deposing American/British interests in Iran, promoting Shia interests throughout the region, and ignoring the Palestinian situation completely.
Given how history has gone, hard to imagine the IRI would have received significant pushback to such a strategy. I guess the question is whether without appealing towards Arab antisemitism, if IRI could have motivated Arab Shiites to act as proxies for their interests.
As an interesting counterfactual, given the general apathy of the people of Iran themselves towards the IRI, I do wonder if Obama (and more generally the Democrat Party which has been in power 12 of the last 16 years) hadn't made IRI spies his main advisers on the region, and embarked on a path of facilitating IRI aggression throughout the region, if the regime itself might have ended up in the rear view mirror a long time ago.
Obviously we will never know, but an interesting question. My understanding is in private Obama himself has questioned the path he decided upon in his IRI policy.
Given the last 40 years of rhetoric, in 2024 this may be true. But the Palestinians aren't even Shia, so in theory the revolution could have just focused on deposing American/British interests in Iran, promoting Shia interests throughout the region, and ignoring the Palestinian situation completely. Given how history has gone, hard to imagine the IRI would have received signi
Ye you might be right I also forgot Israel went as far as supporting Iran in the Iran-iraq war
