[WPT Global] Official Thread

So we have collusion issues, burner accounts, fair play system abuse, Asian players allowed to play under three different user names, illegal HUD use, buggy software, terrible traffic, extortionate rake, no rakeback, complete disregard for regs (Including those who drive action), poor customer service, trust in management so low there's real doubt in the integrity of the rng.

Any legitimate reasons to keep playing WPT?

I've run terrible on WPTG but there is virtually no chance the RNG is rigged. I do think there is something fishy going on with those burner accounts which is likely hurting the other players. I'd be curious to see what the winrates of the existing regs/recs (i.e 5k hands +) were over the last six months in comparison to the six months prior.

Why would you think it's impossible?

The Asians that are affiliated to WPT and apparently takes most of the decisions regarding the player pool, AI and other stuff are known to be scumbags.

There's a high chance the liquidity was running low past few months and this was one of the reason they remove rakeback. You Don't know what's going on and possible issue they could have regarding credit to whales and other stuff. I think over the years the last thing someone should said regarding gambling, pokersite, crypto is that something is "impossible" to happen.

Of course - i don't have any proof, but serious doubts.

If there's actually one site that I think could rigged easily the RNG trough there "ai system" it's pokerkings lol.

A few additional takes;

- my affiliate who still have 4 players that plays mid/high are all negative this month, all winning players (huge winners) lifetime

-other friends that play lower stakes are saying the same thing, losing, breakeven and they have 6 fish per table, wich is almost impossible to lose at small stakes considering the ratio

- some highstakes regs that I know for a fact were massive winners lifetime on wpt (example huangyang) stopped playing overnight after the RB change. Possibly some guys got tossed up some info from there affiliate/contacts that something shady is happening

- this is a story that not many knows but some known high stakes regs got cheated hard at 100/200/400 by a superuser asian account about 6 months ago. I'm not allowed to publicly say the name of all the regs - the good thing is they all got refunded by WPT but they lost 6 figures + to an account that was a superuser. (Here I'm not saying wpt was involved - just stating the fact there was a super user so they had a leak in there software a way or another) - I was personally not affected by this.

I am not saying or taking those suspicion lightly. WPT used to be my favorite site to play on, i have won way more on that site then I ever won anywhere else. I would not lie, my bb/100 was ridiculous and the games were amazing, so it's very difficult to step away from WPT.

Play with caution, something possibly shady is going on imho.

Man, this is so funny. I know two guys (big winners as well) and they are at best BE last month or two. One of them started to record his sessions because really weird **** are happening (mostly on yuan tables and 6 max...)..All of a sudden they can´t win on tables with 6 fish and get wrecked all the time. I haven´t played for over a month now, but I'm going to start soon, so I'm really curious how it will go (I´m a huge winner at over ~100k hands on WPTG)

I think it's possible, I'd just put it at some very low probability. Even if the operators were to be dishonest, I don't think it would make sense to rig the RNG. They would have to think the players would figure it out eventually. Also, there would be a bunch of people involved in this conspiracy on the operator's side, such as software developers and people from security. You would just need one whistle blower for it to go wrong. It wouldn't be worth the risk to their business and their reputations.

What I do find very weird is how the burner account situation has continued for as long as it has. Every day these new accounts pop up, they play their c.1k hands, are allowed to withdraw and then rinse and repeat.

No HH, no datamining, no export, max tables cap and low volume hands per hour, I don’t think players could ever figure it out/prove it if the rng was messing up with us.

There is no need to talk about rigged RNG and such. We need to realize, that it is some random Chinese software, made by some random people... WPT doesn't need to be involved by any means. You can buy a showdown, I'm sure it is somehow possible to take advantage of it (and the same with the Rabbit Hole feature). Asi garnouille wrote, I think everybody from this forum won A LOT in there, but we need to play with caution.

A bit discouraged by a sudden silence from Alex and Peter. I thought there was a nice and transparent discussion going on. Ever since cancelling the Fall Festival and all the promos.

Yes exactly, pokerking is running the show cause they bring most whales and like you said, probably give credit aswell.
they also have private game mentality, they dont like pro's.

like you said liquidity was probably running low (china recession) so they decided to screw rakeback players which are mostly WPTG players, and then it was probably not enough so they expanded their AI to the RNG. Like alex said, its super easy to do.

You can program it for pro to run super bad, less chances of hitting a pair, a flush, etc. More chances of REC turning a pair into 2 pairs etc etc. It could be super users too.

I have literally seen 6max games with like 2 whales 3 fishes and a pro who is stuck huge many many times.

Or 8max games with very good fish to pro ratios, same thing. It's almost impossible to be stuck huge in a game like that, atleast not over and over again.

BTW i have been a huge winner before rakeback(15bb/100) for a couple hundred thousand hands, now reduced to a losing player since 6-7 weeks.

"YOU SCUMBAGS REMOVED OUR RAKEBACK AND THEN CHANGED THE AI SO WE ALL LOSE. NO ONE SHOULD PLAY ON THIS SITE"

Why don't Alex and Peter post more?

After all our disputes i don't think it is fair to blame Alex for all the wrongdoings on the platform, as he proved time and time again he was willing and did take action for a fair enviroment.

That being said i think super users are a big problem on the platform if he admits it or not. It's not about a rigged rng it's about the same players winning 99% of their sessions and never making a mistake they bluff when u have 3rd pair and fold top 2 pairs when you have a set may i be by colluding or seeing the deck i might never know. And if my statement is in any way false or damaging to your platform i invite you to share the winrates and stats of certain players of my choosing and feel free to compare those winrate to mine or any other grinder willing to share their info from the platform. I consent for you to share my nickname stats and winrate next to any of the suspected "crushers" at the stake i played.

I have stopped playing on the platform even tho i won a lot there because the lack of predictability on the long run, crushers are easy to avoid and they did not target me in particular, but the lack of consistency in executive decisions is a big no for me, i've been through party and stars rake cuts and i know what it means.

@WPT_Alex you mentioned in an earlier post you guys would be willing to get us untagged from agents after the changes.

Thank you for your reply.

As previously communicated, we are unable to untag you from your referral. We suggest that you reach out to your referral for any concerns you have regarding this matter.

Otherwise, we kindly ask you to reach out to your referral and have him to contact our referral support team for further queries.

We appreciate your understanding.

If you need further assistance, feel free to contact us.

This is the response I'm getting. My agent claims he's unable to do it also.

Thanks

I'll look into this, I know we've had issues in this area before.

I'll pass on your feedback to the Poker Room team. There are no festivals currently planned until after the WPT World Championship (December).

This is strange, do you still get this even with the latest version?

Please PM me your user name and I'll see what's going on. Webcam Interviews are indeed part of our toolkit but nothing should take as long as 1 month.

Our system has a failsafe for thankfully rare situations where the money might not hit your account immediately - there is a periodic cleanup (I think every 24 hours). You can also go to the 'My Games' filter within the cash game tabs, and if you're still technically active at a table, it will appear here - you can then leave that table.

Please PM me your username and I'll look into this.

My tables today are randomly closing and apparently I kept paying the blinds (and a couple bomb pots)
Anyone else?

The management behind this network is acting completely against what Alex and Peter have said.

Alex claimed that only high-skilled players would lose their affiliate commissions and that it would affect very few players. Yet, I just started playing Short Deck on WPT Global, with my first 6,000 hands ever in that format. I raked around $1,600 in August, 90% of it from Short Deck, but my affiliate only received $200 in commission (from which I got $80), likely from other games. I ran very bad, and as a normal player without rakeback in Short Deck, it’s nearly impossible to not loose. The rake structure is much harsher than in No Limit Hold'em, and the edges between players are likely small.

This month, I’ve played another 6,000 hands and am waiting to see if rakeback will be adjusted, as my affiliate hinted. If not, it’s just extremely frustrating.

Regular players who aren’t pros stand no chance in Short Deck, if you cut their rakeback on that structure.

hi @WPT Global Alex

do you have the relalase date of the fix for the hight cpu usage?
thanks

how do you see what rakeback your earned when starting a table?

I played PokerKing/WPT for more than 4 years, and yes I do think they have "rng favor for whale/fish" feature.

i think its been done recently, the thing that the network doesnt understand (not necessarely saying alex knows), they gonna get caught cause there is people datamining the hands.

IMO they should have kept it a secret they are using AI, people that knows the tech knows there is no limit to what they can do, and the pandora box is open now. I am 100% confident its gonna burry them.

I already opened an account and planned to deposit but reading this trainwreck of a thread, i will avoid it, thank you guys

FairGame doesn't work based on how much you win or lose (which would be subject to short-term variance). It is based on how skilled a player you are relative to the other players in the pool. Players who are tagged as experts by FairGame have fewer seating choices and we pay less commission to affiliates for them, but the upside of this is that the games are far softer than they are on any other site.

Unfortunately, it keeps getting pushed back and is now planned for later this month. It is in testing at the moment.

Please contact [email]customercare@wptglobal.com[/email] - we'd like to investigate and make this right for you.

We really don't.

I played WPTG full time with large volume since the beginning at 10k & 20k and was a big winner there pre-RB over hundreds of thousands of hands, and I never even had a breakeven month pre-RB. Until this changed overnight and I became breakeven after rakeback, at best. First I thought some extreme variance, but then I realised that literally everyone I knew who played there had the same experience. I also received a large five figure payout from WPTG early this year after the above mentioned alledged superusers (though tbf the reason for the large payouts was never confirmed and I do applaud WPTG for catching cheaters and redistributing their winnings). Where I disagree with a lot of the posters here is that I think this started early this year, and whatever happened just got worse around the time when they removed the rakeback. I have naturally stopped playing there.

yeah so much patience needed when charging 8bb/100 rake at the highest stakes, what a tough job bro