Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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Tough spot for Iran. Israel would love to go get those nuclear installations.
This is a big moment for Iran. Big decision.
You know that when you stack them beside South Africa, it's not even in the same realm. AKA not apartheid.
The main difference is that the South African government didn't bomb Bantustan into rubble.
Hezbollah is one of Iran's main deterrents against Israel, losing it will result in Iran considering going nuclear which in turn enecourages Israel to strike which will be even more likely due to the lack of Hezbollah. It's not a good situation, part of the reason Israel shouldn't be invading imo.
Hezbollah is one of Iran's main deterrents against Israel, losing it will result in Iran considering going nuclear which in turn enecourages Israel to strike which will be even more likely due to the lack of Hezbollah. It's not a good situation, part of the reason Israel shouldn't be invading imo.
You are kind of leaving out the part where Hezbollah/IRI have been attacking Israel for 11 months straight. The threat of Hezbollah attacking was the deterrent. Once they decided on protracted offensive violence, then it no longer is a deterrent, but an active belligerent threat that must be eliminated.
This is a pretty self-defeating line of thought. Compared to developing nations which are in a similar situation Palestine has high literacy rates. World Bank puts their literacy rate at 97%: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE....They value higher education, and a major factor for not receiving higher education is the lack of access being imposed upon
With Islamist groups in charge, or even if not technically in charge having veto power to derail any movements towards peace and reconciliaiton, I think the internal political problems are a much bigger impediment than the external ones.
Also, being highly literate only gets you so far (and is probably a net negative) when your education system is focused around propaganda encouraging generally antisocial behavior, antisemitism and violence. Imagine a Grade 1-12 school system where people like Deuces McKracken are running the show, encouraging zero sum, violent nihilism . A very hopeless situation.
Hezbollah is one of Iran's main deterrents against Israel, losing it will result in Iran considering going nuclear which in turn enecourages Israel to strike which will be even more likely due to the lack of Hezbollah. It's not a good situation, part of the reason Israel shouldn't be invading imo.
I've not heard one good Israeli geopolitical analyst come at it this way. Curious if that's your take or you heard it somewhere? If so maybe link me to a podcast? Appreciate that.
The sense (as I'm hearing it) is that without the ring if fire (which is falling to pieces before our eyes), Iran basically has nothing. Countries begin to flip to moderate, one by one as Iran's influence vanishes. Then comes a concentrated effort to overthrow Iran's horrible regime, from the inside (by their oppressed people). And a very united Muslim world eager to see it happen. We all would, I hope.
The world as we know it, changes forever with this sequence.
Hezbollah is one of Iran's main deterrents against Israel, losing it will result in Iran considering going nuclear which in turn enecourages Israel to strike which will be even more likely due to the lack of Hezbollah. It's not a good situation, part of the reason Israel shouldn't be invading imo.
Whether Iran could avoid Iraqs fate over WMDs is dubious. Even assuming they were somehow genuinely not goign for nukes.
USA is fully embroiled. Unless thare's some major polical upheaval, iran has been on the agenda since the beginning.
I don't have a podcast saying that. I agree with your take for the good scenario, but Iran isn't going to just accept that fate. Going nuclear has been on the table for a long time.
This is a great opportunity for Israel to take out the Iranian Nuclear facilities as well as decapitating the regime. Certainly we can all agree that this would be a good thing.
I agree that's at the front of their minds. But to replace with what? And how many lives get destroyed.
That's assuming it goes well.
Could you share one of the podcasts with me? Sounds incredibly optimistic but I'd like to hear it.
Israelis claim thousands of years ago people they, by now, have scant genetic relationship to, used to live somewhere and, hence, they have the right to take it over now.So do we just apply this logic globally? Maybe the Europeans who claim Israel as theirs did have ancestors there thousands of years ago. Maybe they didn't. Some say they actually came from some other place. We
It's just the way the world has always operated. Nations get conquered. Israel has been destroyed many times throughout history. Now it's their time to be the conqueror. It's survival of the fittest. They tried to play nice at one time but couldn't find a willing partner.
Would the "Palestinians" have the right to plant themselves in someone's home and declare it as their own? This is what they would like do right? They would like to go back to their pre Nakba homes.
I agree that's at the front of their minds. But to replace with what? And how many lives get destroyed.
That's assuming it goes well.
I'm not talking an Iraq style invasion. Step one would be to hit the nuclear sites. Step two decapitate the regime. Step three replace the regime. This is an actual spot where Israel and the US would be seen as liberators. There are tons of anti regime groups outside of Iran ready to step in. The only lives destroyed would be the bad guy's.
I think step 1 will happen to some extent. Step 2 might as well.
The rest sounds staggeringly hopeful to put it mildly.
I'm not talking an Iraq style invasion. Step one would be to hit the nuclear sites. Step two decapitate the regime. Step three replace the regime. This is an actual spot where Israel and the US would be seen as liberators. There are tons of anti regime groups outside of Iran ready to step in. The only lives destroyed would be the bad guy's.
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I'm not talking an Iraq style invasion. Step one would be to hit the nuclear sites. Step two decapitate the regime. Step three replace the regime. This is an actual spot where Israel and the US would be seen as liberators. There are tons of anti regime groups outside of Iran ready to step in. The only lives destroyed would be the bad guy's.
Step four decapitate the Israeli regime and drag the head screaming to The Hague as a high profile deterrent to future attempts to genocide people.
The only people killed in Gaza so far have been bad guys, right?
You are well aware of all the rights, privileges, duties, and opportunities that millions of Arabs who live in Israel have (work, school, vote, army, etc). You know that when you stack them beside South Africa, it's not even in the same realm. AKA not apartheid. If you mean GAZA, Gaza is not Israel. Hopefully when peace arrives, Gaza will become what it could have always been w
You know perfectly well he was talking about the West Bank, which you somehow neglected to mention.
A western source with no details: Iran is expected to attack Israel with fast missiles and not with UAVs or cruise missiles that allow for a long preparation time for defense and interception
It's all so much harder an driskier than the gung ho seem to think.A full scale war must be a contender but it doesn't obviously make anything safer. It may just become a reality like it has with with N Korea. All the threats and anguish don't trump reality.
Iran could already use a dirty bomb. If they thought mongidig's plan was happening then they might do it. Maybe it can be blcoked but I'm not sure shooting down a dirty bomb is the greatest thign to rely on.
Step four decapitate the Israeli regime and drag the head screaming to The Hague as a high profile deterrent to future attempts to genocide people.
The only people killed in Gaza so far have been bad guys, right?
The Iranian decapitation would be far different than what is going on in Gaza.
You're wrong with regards to those killed in Gaza. There have been many innocent lives lost.
